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bester

bester

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Ball spinning along the touchline if had gone out it would be an Arsenal throw.

Arteta tries to grab it but touches it while on the field of play

Free kick on the touchline awarded, and a yellow card.

62m30

https://twitter.com/x/status/1854274580002546017

Should be a red?

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I haven't seen it and the vid is geoblocked. What minute of the game? But I can imagine what it is. Devil's advocate, was this type of incident what the law makers had in mind when they made it a red card offence?

It reminds me of a common occupance of a ball has been kick sailing over to the next park. A good samaritan player jumps just inside the field catching it to save someone a trip fetching the ball and the referee rewards him with a yellow card (but in this case not justified in law).
 
He scoops the ball up as it is running along the touchline. More a product of him being outside the technical area than anything else...
 
In law, red card absolutely correct, however common sense approach would result in a caution. As @one says, this isn't really what the law makers had in mind when they made this a red card offence.

I believe it was Sam Allison (?) sent off the West Brom (?) manager for a similar thing last season - again, correct in law, but PGMO sent out guidance that it should not have been a red card.
 
@one 63rd minute

Would did amuse me was the assistant was very, very insistent the ball was placed exactly on the touchline for the free kick.
The taker tried to move it a fraction off the line.
 
RefereeX said:
In law, red card absolutely correct, however common sense approach would result in a caution. As @one says, this isn't really what the law makers had in mind when they made this a red card offence.

I believe it was Sam Allison (?) sent off the West Brom (?) manager for a similar thing last season - again, correct in law, but PGMO sent out guidance that it should not have been a red card.
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That's a memo I didn't receive
I'll add it to the thousand other bits of guidance randomly broadcast from many different sources that I didn't receive (if I wasn't on RefChat ;) )
 
Big Cat said:
That's a memo I didn't receive
I'll add it to the thousand other bits of guidance randomly broadcast from many different sources that I didn't receive (if I wasn't on RefChat ;) )
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I will add, when I say they sent out guidance, I don't mean to me! I'm nowhere near important enough for that sort of thing!
 
Bear with me on this, as I explain my thinking here.

Yellow card because it would have been an Arsenal throw, akin to delaying the restart of play for his team?

And by extension red had it been going for an Inter throw, like delaying the restart for the opposition?
 
But the ball was in play, so there wasn’t a restart to delay. The book answer is this is red. But I also don’t think the stopping of a ball thought to be out of play was really what IFAB intended.
 
socal lurker said:
But the ball was in play, so there wasn’t a restart to delay. The book answer is this is red. But I also don’t think the stopping of a ball thought to be out of play was really what IFAB intended.
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Hard to say delay restart as well when obviously the action is to speed up the restart.
Agree with you that the book says this is red. When you add the context, red is hard to justify despite what the laws say.
 
Makes me think of this in the Celtic v Aberdeen semi-final last Saturday. Ball goes out for an Aberdeen throw but Brendan Rodgers boots it back on the pitch. Given a yellow by the referee and whilst it really should’ve been a red absolutely no one would’ve expected it and it seems a punishment vastly out of proportion for the crime committed.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1854554412082929958
 
LothianRef said:
Makes me think of this in the Celtic v Aberdeen semi-final last Saturday. Ball goes out for an Aberdeen throw but Brendan Rodgers boots it back on the pitch. Given a yellow by the referee and whilst it really should’ve been a red absolutely no one would’ve expected it and it seems a punishment vastly out of proportion for the crime committed.
https://twitter.com/x/status/1854554412082929958
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Why should it be a red? The ball is already out of play, so the most it can be is a caution for delaying the restart. Very different to a manager who touches the ball whilst it is still in play.
 
Ultimately, managers know what they can and can’t do in technical areas. And if they overstep the mark, they know what the punishment will be. To the outside it may seem harsh at times, but the managers are briefed on all of this
 
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