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Consistency...
That's all I want from top refs.

Shove in back by WHU early on in penalty area, no penalty given.
Shove in back by WHU late in the half, half way line, foul...
Exactly same offence. Different outcomes.
 
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Consistency...
That's all I want from top refs.

Shove in back by WHU early on in penalty area, no penalty given.
Shove in back by WHU late in the half, half way line, foul...
Exactly same offence. Different outcomes.
You are a referee yourself, but also a Brentford fan. I find it very hard to believe that you don't require a higher level of offence inside the penalty to penalise versus outside the area.

There's no way on earth any professional referee is giving that as a penalty.
 
You are a referee yourself, but also a Brentford fan. I find it very hard to believe that you don't require a higher level of offence inside the penalty to penalise versus outside the area.

There's no way on earth any professional referee is giving that as a penalty.
The fact they even discussed it at half time suggests they thought it was too.
I just don't like consistency, or shall I say inconsistency. That's all.
 
The fact they even discussed it at half time suggests they thought it was too.
I just don't like consistency, or shall I say inconsistency. That's all.
With all due respect, if you're giving every single foul that you'd give outside the area, inside the area, throughout the whole 90 minutes, with the exact same threshold for what is and isn't a foul, for the whole 90 minutes, regardless of the temperature of the game, you've either been taught by some poor teachers, or you're ignoring what you've been taught. I'd say it's unlikely that this is the case.
 
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“Higher bar for penalties” was also one of the first public utterances by the new Webb IIRC.

Of course, could be in the book, but you can’t claim this is a surprise.
 
“Higher bar for penalties” was also one of the first public utterances by the new Webb IIRC.

Of course, could be in the book, but you can’t claim this is a surprise.
It's been the spiel from, at least UEFA, the authorities for a while. The first time I came about, or at least I became aware, was Rosetti @ Euro 2020 (2021)
 
a lot of the issue is incredibly soft (safe) free kicks especially to teams in defensive areas. contact in these circumstances is often exaggerated/simulated or it's a full on dive.
 
Consistency...
That's all I want from top refs.

Shove in back by WHU early on in penalty area, no penalty given.
Shove in back by WHU late in the half, half way line, foul...
Exactly same offence. Different outcomes.
For me the credentials should be the same regardless of where on the FOP it occurs.

The fact it would be a penalty changes refs decision. Totally wrong.

If you give it outside, give it inside.
 
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But whether they should and whether they are in practise, is 2 totally different things.

Like I say, temperature of the game is a big thing we're taught. What you're letting go in minute 5 might be a great foul to give in minute 40. Regardless of where it is on the pitch.
 
But whether they should and whether they are in practise, is 2 totally different things.

Like I say, temperature of the game is a big thing we're taught. What you're letting go in minute 5 might be a great foul to give in minute 40. Regardless of where it is on the pitch.
Precisely! Sometimes a "safe" foul is needed. One that might ordinarily not have been given, but is needed to stop a succession of escalating challenges or to prevent complicity in a contentious goal etc.
There is no such thing as a safe penalty. You need to be sure as you are essentially awarding a goal 4/5 times.
 
“Higher bar for penalties” was also one of the first public utterances by the new Webb IIRC.

Of course, could be in the book, but you can’t claim this is a surprise.
Yet Webb himself was guilty of some appalling inconsistency when he ref'd in what he considered what was worthy of a penalty and what wasn't.
 
For me the credentials should be the same regardless of where on the FOP it occurs.

The fact it would be a penalty changes refs decision. Totally wrong.

If you give it outside, give it inside.
Problem is once you get to L4 if you take that approach into games you'd be demoted back down within a couple of seasons. Clubs would hammer you, observers wouldn't be supporting "soft" penalties, and it would probably also affect your match control.

When you have heads of refereeing in England and UEFA / FIFA saying that there should be a higher bar for penalties that adds a lot of credence to the argument. Plus you can't really win, Thomas Frank was fuming about not getting a penalty, but if the same challenge had happened in his team's penalty area he'd be equally aggrieved.
 
Problem is once you get to L4 if you take that approach into games you'd be demoted back down within a couple of seasons. Clubs would hammer you, observers wouldn't be supporting "soft" penalties, and it would probably also affect your match control.

When you have heads of refereeing in England and UEFA / FIFA saying that there should be a higher bar for penalties that adds a lot of credence to the argument. Plus you can't really win, Thomas Frank was fuming about not getting a penalty, but if the same challenge had happened in his team's penalty area he'd be equally aggrieved.
maybe a clampdown would make these fouls penalties.

A bit like the dissent clampdown
 
We will all be familiar with the way that giving a ‘soft’ penalty can change the mood of a game, and subsequently the game itself. I think it’s quite right to say that football doesn’t want, nor does it expect, the same bar to be applied to penalties as fouls everywhere else on the pitch.
 
The problem with soft penalties is that no player, coach, or fan has the same definition. Of what soft means when their team is attacking and he. It is defending . . .
 
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