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Interesting situation here:

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Lee Tomlin receives two yellows in 17 seconds!

Lee Tomlin was sent off for Doncaster Rovers after receiving two yellow cards in 17 seconds after stopping Bradford City from taking a free-kick.
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My question is why did the referee not INSTANTLY show a second yellow after the player kicked the ball way? Why wait for all the fake diving by the offender?

Was this what they call "managing"?
 
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Are we sure he was getting a (2nd) yellow for, kicking the ball away?

I dont think so, its the antics which have resulted in the second yellow for me

If my hunch is correct, then the OP question is answered
 
I know why he EVENTUALLY got sent off. I'm questioning why he wasn't sent off before the antics.

If he got the first yellow for throwing the ball 2 or 3 yards i'm pretty sure kicking it further will be a second yellow.
 
Kent Ref said:
I know why he EVENTUALLY got sent off. I'm questioning why he wasn't sent off before the antics.

If he got the first yellow for throwing the ball 2 or 3 yards i'm pretty sure kicking it further will be a second yellow.
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Ah ok, I misunderstood

Not a chance am second yelllowing though, and I would be surprised to see a second yellow. This situation is managable, you barely wish to have two technical offence yellows to the same player at all, far less in such quick succession.
For me, to second yellow here sends out a message that every delay of restart will be a caution, which of course, its not.

by all means he is in last chance salon ( if you dont second yelllow him at the time) ,

A ref sending off here would be technically correct but would imo be lacking managment skills
 
Kent Ref said:
I know why he EVENTUALLY got sent off. I'm questioning why he wasn't sent off before the antics.

If he got the first yellow for throwing the ball 2 or 3 yards i'm pretty sure kicking it further will be a second yellow.
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Had Madden just given the second yellow for the second kick away, no one is discussing anything other than what a bell end the player was. By waiting for the other stuff, this became more about the officiating.

The lesson here is when a player gives you an easy caution, take it.
 
If anything I would have liked the referee to have been a smidge more decisive, it looks, and I'm not suggesting it is, that the Bradford player says something in his ear which prompts the 2nd yellow.
A touch more decisive and that doesn't happen.
Overall though, players who behave in a silly way win silly prizes and good on the ref for following through with the 2nd yellow.
 
I think a second yellow for flicking the ball away depends on whether the R is thinking DR or dissent. The second one isn’t delaying the restart, as the there is going to be a ceremonial restart once the R is done processing the caution.
 
JamesL said:
If anything I would have liked the referee to have been a smidge more decisive, it looks, and I'm not suggesting it is, that the Bradford player says something in his ear which prompts the 2nd yellow.
A touch more decisive and that doesn't happen.
Overall though, players who behave in a silly way win silly prizes and good on the ref for following through with the 2nd yellow.
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it's more likely that he is waiting for a comment from his AR if he saw any contact that warranted old mate falling over.
 
socal lurker said:
I think a second yellow for flicking the ball away depends on whether the R is thinking DR or dissent. The second one isn’t delaying the restart, as the there is going to be a ceremonial restart once the R is done processing the caution.
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I think you can put that second kick away down as USB. Yes, it’s not delaying the restart. But it’s clearly being unsporting whether or not it’s dissent. He is just being a dunce by kicking the ball away again. USB is a pretty easy one to defend here, so just mark it as such and get him out of the game.
 
Should have taken better control of the situation at the first YC, and stepped in to move the player away from the free kick, rather than turn his back especially when tensions were clearly running high at that point. Poor management of the whole situation, unclear who the cards were for and turning his back, also gave the card when player was still on the ground, and didn't card the No.10.
 
The referee is Bobby Madden (ex Scottish FIFA referee) who has moved this season to England for his job. So, being indecisively is unlikely.

I think the 2nd caution is for simulation (trying to get the opponent sent off), which if I am right is get refereeing. The FA/EFL should come out and explain the 2nd caution is for.
 
lincs22 said:
The referee is Bobby Madden (ex Scottish FIFA referee) who has moved this season to England for his job. So, being indecisively is unlikely.

I think the 2nd caution is for simulation (trying to get the opponent sent off), which if I am right is get refereeing. The FA/EFL should come out and explain the 2nd caution is for.
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Do you think the ref should have shown the second yellow before the play acting?

If he carded the first for throwing the ball away surely kicking the ball away needs some kind of consistency?
 
At first I thought #10 could see red for VC - but I believe it was more petulant rather than ‘brutal’. That being said, I think he should have had a yellow for being a Pratt also.

Just don’t know what Tomlin was thinking though. Referee did us all a great favour by showing the second yellow, albeit later then I think he could have!

Overall - player was to blame for getting sent off. Footballer’s Brain!!
 
Kent Ref said:
Do you think the ref should have shown the second yellow before the play acting?

If he carded the first for throwing the ball away surely kicking the ball away needs some kind of consistency?
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probably. But the first was, I presume, for delaying the restart. The second isn’t delaying the restart, as the caution means there will be a ceremonial restart. But when a player does (almost) exactly what he was just cautioned for, I think it can be considered dissent by action (or as suggested above USB).
 
EPL refs seemed to be coached not to intervene. We don’t see any running in, no getting between players, rather the opposite, they seem to slow down at flashpoints.

This is very different from e.g. Euro22 where we even saw an AR enter the field to prevent a flashpoint - in the final.

I think the EPL approach is not the right example for grassroots. It’s confusing. But it’s on the telly.

(I realise this was not this was not an EPL match…)
 
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I don't think any top level referee is likely to caution twice for delaying the restart here. You might sell that at grass roots, but not that level. Pretty sure the second caution is for the blatant act of simulation in trying to get his opponent sent off.
 
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