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Restart after stopping for agressive attitude

206eddy

206eddy

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Sunday morning, yellow tackles blue, hard but fair challenge. Yellow player (not tackler) clears ball.

I follow the ball but half a trailing eye/sense something going on between tackler and tackled player. Look round and both are up and squaring up to each other chest to chest, typical and easy aggressive attitude. Blow whistle stop game, isolate each and caution both. Now my question is what should the correct restart have been? I gave a drop ball which, sportingly, blue passes back to yellow keeper.

Assessor afterwards said that restart was wrong and that I should have awarded an IDFK to one of the teams. Now I'm confused but quite happy to go with what he told me in future, however how do I know which team to award to. I didn't see who 'started' or did the first bit of AA, surely I don't just guess or worse award to defending team. I'll admit that a drop ball may not have been wisest (and as per assessor wrong in law) due to the raised temperature but in this case it worked out ok.

Any thoughts chaps?
 
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Nope, drop ball sounds right to me. How can you award an idfk when you don't know which player started it and both are as bad as each other?

As for drop ball, if any concerns that it will kick off again, pull them a little bit past where you intend to drop the ball, distract them by saying something while drop/throwing the ball straight passed them! They look up at you, the ball hits the floor, Game on.
 
Drop ball is not wrong in law as whilst you have stopped play to caution and that would normally bring an IDFK, in this instance both players have committed the same offence at the same time (from your perspective).

However, from a game management point of view I'd suggest awarding an IDFK to one side or the other simply because on another occasion the players may not be so charitable and a drop ball gives a great opportunity to kick an opponent and then WW3 breaks out!!
 
SM said:
As for drop ball, if any concerns that it will kick off again, pull them a little bit past where you intend to drop the ball, distract them by saying something while drop/throwing the ball straight passed them! They look up at you, the ball hits the floor, Game on.
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Noice advice.
 
HertsFinest said:
Who's ignoring the LOTG now then
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Not ignoring it at all.....you have penalised the offence, correctly one hopes, you are merely restarting the game.....
As has been pointed out, a drop ball offers an opportunity for hostilities to resume, whereas making a decision about who committed the first offence offers you a chance to restart on a hopefully calmer footing.

Neither restart is technically incorrect in law, it all depends on whether you decide it was simultaneous offences or one offence very closely followed by a reaction.
Obviously if you decide it was simultaneous, the correct restart is a drop ball......
 
Padfoot said:
Not ignoring it at all.....you have penalised the offence, correctly one hopes, you are merely restarting the game.....
As has been pointed out, a drop ball offers an opportunity for hostilities to resume, whereas making a decision about who committed the first offence offers you a chance to restart on a hopefully calmer footing.

Neither restart is technically incorrect in law, it all depends on whether you decide it was simultaneous offences or one offence very closely followed by a reaction.
Obviously if you decide it was simultaneous, the correct restart is a drop ball......
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Yeah thats my view, because he didnt see who started it he has to assume simultaneous... if he guesses and the other 22 men on the pitch saw it was the other person who started it and he gives FK the other way, bye bye match control. I would suggest do a drop ball but drop the ball at the same second you ask both players to take a step back so they cant reach each other while challenging for gball
 
I'm with padfoot on this one... Find the safest way out, which in this instance is a drop ball to the 'defence'... remember seeing a clip of 2 Excessive Force tackles flying in simultaneoudly and my RDO told us to avoid the drop bal and find a freekick somewhere... doesnt really mater where just get away from the situation then nail the next ten minutes!!

If worst comes t worst and the team taking the freekick swing it into the box (somehow) then simply find a foul on the GK or a defender and away we go
 
CallumRushton13 said:
I'm with padfoot on this one... Find the safest way out, which in this instance is a drop ball to the 'defence'... remember seeing a clip of 2 Excessive Force tackles flying in simultaneoudly and my RDO told us to avoid the drop bal and find a freekick somewhere... doesnt really mater where just get away from the situation then nail the next ten minutes!!

If worst comes t worst and the team taking the freekick swing it into the box (somehow) then simply find a foul on the GK or a defender and away we go
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Quite frankly ridiculous for an RDO to encourage this kind of weak refereeing
 
HertsFinest said:
Making up violations of law is acceptable now is it? Pull the other one pad
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Who's making anything up? Clearly there's been a violation as you've just booked 2 players.......

You're simply taking a view that one happened before the other as opposed to them happening simultaneously.
 
Padfoot said:
Who's making anything up? Clearly there's been a violation as you've just booked 2 players.......

You're simply taking a view that one happened before the other as opposed to them happening simultaneously.
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That's not what I'm arguing. I'm shocked at the suggestion you should make up a foul if the ball goes into the box and give a defensive free kick to make your life easier
 
HertsFinest said:
That's not what I'm arguing. I'm shocked at the suggestion you should make up a foul if the ball goes into the box and give a defensive free kick to make your life easier
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Well then you're having an argument with yourself, because I have no idea what you are on about.

I was speaking specifically in relation to the op, which was about 2 offences happening together........

Maybe you've just had the urge to make things up as you go......?
 
Making up?? Who said it was making anything up?? In 99% of situations where there are a number of players in the box fighting for the ball there will be a foul. Instead of ignoring it as We all do, and passing it off as part of the game, simply give it
HertsFinest said:
Making up violations of law is acceptable now is it? Pull the other one pad
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For clarification, I am not making p a foul. How often do players pull shirts or block the keeper when the ball is swing into a crowded box?? It must happen in 99% of these situations. That is what I am referring to. Not inventing fouls simply giving soft fouls
 
Padfoot said:
I see what he is on about now.....and I don't agree with it either.....you can't just invent a FK...
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Yes I was responding to your defence of callums comments which were quoted in my post you responded to where I clearly mentioned the RDO which was never mentioned in OP.

Certainly not making things up as I go nor arguing with myself as you suggested
 
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