Chrisp72
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Ooh, can you elaborate more on that?
Well one example was a corner at the end with no CAR in place on the corner in line with the CAR at the other end of the pitch. Some advice I was given before by a random referee who was watching one of my games was the biggest decision is goal/no goal so stood behind the back post on the line so I had view of players in the box, the ball, the kicker and the goal line with no help from a CAR.
I was told by my observer you should never be positioned there. There were other examples where positioning could be improved but positioning at corners was 'all over the place'.
Ah yes, the back post spot.
I would very much be interested in hearing what the advice is on positioning at your RA meeting. It is a scenario that I've been having issues with myself.
Assuming I'm reading your post correctly, I agree with the assessor. Eventually there will be a game you have where the ball is very close to being a goal and you will have to make the best decision you can make with the available information. That will likely mean you say "no goal" even if it was a couple centimeters over the line. However, you'll be trading off the once a season (or two seasons) goal line decision for being in a better position for EVERY corner kick in which you'll probably award multiple PKs in that time frame because you had a better view. You'll also be in position for the counterattack for the corners.
Missing a goal decision sucks. Missing an offside decision sucks. But when it's just you out there, you have to be in position for the key match decision that's more likely to happen.
Missing a goal decision sucks. Missing an offside decision sucks. But when it's just you out there, you have to be in position for the key match decision that's more likely to happen.
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Did you tell the observer about your thoughts on the point and ask for clarification?
Sometime giving a reason to the observer satifies their concerns. Sometimes you may have just misunderstood their coaching point.
My understanding from what you have written is that the observer thought the game, even in that normal level, would have benefited if you were more vocal (shown presence).
Strange this thread should come up now as I had this scenario on Friday Night in a Cup Final.
It was a high intensity game between 2 well matched sides that was heading towards extra time at 1-1. In the last minute a team won a corner and for some reason for probably the first time ever I decided to position myself on the goal line just beyond the far post rather than around the edge of the box where I would usually be as I wanted to be sure to see any infringements on the keeper etc. Ball came in flicked on at front post headed down towards goal from attacker and just crossed the line at my side by the post before the keeper pulled it out. Because of my position Goal given Cup Final done in 90minutes and we all went home happy. Had I been positioned in usual position I could not have given it and my NAR couldn’t see it to give as there were players on the line and behind.
It was a high intensity game between 2 well matched sides that was heading towards extra time at 1-1. In the last minute a team won a corner and for some reason for probably the first time ever I decided to position myself on the goal line just beyond the far post rather than around the edge of the box where I would usually be as I wanted to be sure to see any infringements on the keeper etc. Ball came in flicked on at front post headed down towards goal from attacker and just crossed the line at my side by the post before the keeper pulled it out. Because of my position Goal given Cup Final done in 90minutes and we all went home happy. Had I been positioned in usual position I could not have given it and my NAR couldn’t see it to give as there were players on the line and behind.
Russell Jones
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Fair to say, that, from my experience, pleasing a wide variety of county observers when it comes to corner kick positioning with CARs is nigh on impossible! They each have their own preferences which turns it into a bit of a lottery. To illustrate the point, whilst going 6 to 5, I was picked up by one observer for NOT being close to the goal line on corners!
Best advice I can give is to vary your start position (to keep the players guessing) and demonstrate your awareness of whether kick will be outswinger or inswinger ... and then relax, because if positioning at corner kicks is the only thing they're bothered about then you know that you are wining
Think Russell hit the nail on the head around differences in county observers.
I notice that you were picked up on fitness, which you say you are working on, good stuff. However, if you havent got pace or the requisite fitness to move from the line and follow a quick attack then dont go there. In 5 years at l7-5 I was never once picked up for corner positioning at back post on the line and I did it religiously.
I notice that you were picked up on fitness, which you say you are working on, good stuff. However, if you havent got pace or the requisite fitness to move from the line and follow a quick attack then dont go there. In 5 years at l7-5 I was never once picked up for corner positioning at back post on the line and I did it religiously.
On your own it’s tricky, if it’s a low bother in the box game I’m closer to the goal line, but definitely not on it but getting the wide angle view. In a techy game i’m at the back of where the action is. I’m looking for the excessive pushes of pills or even aggro. You’ve to give yourself the best chance of being in the right position for the KMI, yes a GLT decision is trickier but it always was at any level.
Thanks all for the advice and comments. I wouldnt typically position myself there but as there was no CAR at that end to help me I thought it was best. Possibly because I positioned myself differently at the end where a CAR was in place is why it was picked up more. Ohwel its all great advice and a good to get advice on how to improve.
Pace wasnt a big issue although I did noticeably slow down and didnt get into the corners as much after the 70 minute make. I have recently had an ankle injury which hasnt been ideal! But no excuses I think getting myself on the pitch practicing running and in the gym will be a massive help when I can keep up at my best for a full 90 minutes.
Pace wasnt a big issue although I did noticeably slow down and didnt get into the corners as much after the 70 minute make. I have recently had an ankle injury which hasnt been ideal! But no excuses I think getting myself on the pitch practicing running and in the gym will be a massive help when I can keep up at my best for a full 90 minutes.
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You find that with corner positioning only???? I find it with just about any topic that causes 3+ page debate in this forum
Last month I was picked up on too much added time (it was actually short of what i should have) in a one sided game saying it gives the impression I am pedantic. A couple of years ago I was pick up on not adding enough time in another one sided game because goal difference can be important at the end of the season.
The best way to address this for a better mark is to have a look at the observer's (assessor's) past reports for yourself or others if you can get your hands on them . All observers have pet topics (corner positioning, signalling posture, managing dissent, advantage...). Pick up those topics and see how they want it handled.
Interesting to hear the variation in advice for positioning. My assessor did say although he sees that as a big no no, the best position in any match was one where you make the right decision. If you can see the issue and make the correct call your positioning was usually good.
Positioning at corners should be decided by getting the most credible viewing angle for offences. IF it in the back post, then that is the correct position. If queried by the observer, defend your view. It is you refereeing the match.
Without any other match knowledge, i woudl suggest that your starting position is on the edge of the "D" giving you a good view of the dropping zone. But as others have said, don't be static, move when the ball is in flight to maintain the best position. This could be move into the PA, left or right on the edge of the PA, but always understand what you are viewing for. A team without an CAR will be the losers as if the ball crosses the goal line in flight, there is no body to give. But no CAR is going to give a goal if the ball crosses the line.
In the event that the CAR stands by the halfway line, I guess we are within our rights to say 'tough luck, your CAR can't be bothered to help out"?
In my league this seems to be standard practice for CAR's as they can't give offsides they just stand on the halfway line, never really move at all.
There's a very easy fix to this to make sure that you please most if not all observers. Start on the egde of the D then as the ball comes in move sideways towards the goal line. For the next corner do the opposite, that way you are seen to be mixing it up and varying you position.
Also look at the corner taker, you are statistically more likely to have a ball over line incident if it is an inswinger so I would be more inclined to be closer to the goal line. Whereas for an outswinger you are probably better placed on the edge of the D as the ball is likely to land deeper, perhaps around the penalty spot. There is a risk though as an inswinger will never go out of play and come back in, whereas an outswinger could. Also, explain your thought process to the observer. I might not agree with a referee's position necessarily, but I would probably struggle not to be impressed if he explained his thought process and explained why he was in those positions.
Also look at the corner taker, you are statistically more likely to have a ball over line incident if it is an inswinger so I would be more inclined to be closer to the goal line. Whereas for an outswinger you are probably better placed on the edge of the D as the ball is likely to land deeper, perhaps around the penalty spot. There is a risk though as an inswinger will never go out of play and come back in, whereas an outswinger could. Also, explain your thought process to the observer. I might not agree with a referee's position necessarily, but I would probably struggle not to be impressed if he explained his thought process and explained why he was in those positions.
Thanks for the advice Rusty. I agree it would be easy to get caught out by a short corner being at the back post. Will definitely take the advice onboard.
Just to had my report through giving me the comments I already mentioned. I got standard expected on a normal difficulty game so overall not a bad first obervation. Now to keep going and keep developing.
Just to had my report through giving me the comments I already mentioned. I got standard expected on a normal difficulty game so overall not a bad first obervation. Now to keep going and keep developing.