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  1. Murri O

    Murri O Member Level 6 Referee

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    Not sure if these are geoblocked so posting two links.

    https://twitter.com/ALeague/status/927472946838249472

    http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/video/1089310275855/Mitch-Austin-receives-shock-red-card

    Bit of an argument here as to what some see as 'deliberately' and some see as 'intercepting'.


    LAW 13 - FREE KICKS

    3. Infringements and sanctions

    If, when a free kick is taken, an opponent is closer to the ball than the required
    distance, the kick is retaken unless the advantage can be applied; but if a player
    takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than 9.15 m (10 yds) from
    the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue. However, an opponent
    who deliberately prevents a free kick being taken quickly must be cautioned
    for delaying the restart of play.
     
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  4. es1

    es1 Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    Yellow all day

    He sticks his leg out to block the ball
     
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    Peter Grove Well-Known Member

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    The law is not particularly helpful on distinguishing between deliberately preventing and intercepting, so in the end it's something for the referee to decide but for me, an opponent who stays that close, with no attempt to withdraw the required distance and then moves towards the path of the ball and sticks a leg out to block the kick as it is being taken, deserves a caution.
     
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    Ciley Myrus Well-Known Member

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    Yellow. Him just standing or not retreating from the set piece area is fine, ball strikes him and I would retake, but imo thats clearly a block, leg comes out to stop that ball so see ya
     
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    Sheffields Finest Happily minding that Gap

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    Easier yellow you'll give all day. Its blatant!!!
     
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    Justylove Well-Known Member Level 6 Referee

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    Clear Yellow, don't know what the reason for the debate is, referee is bang on!
     
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    GraemeS Well-Known Member Level 5 Referee

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    Easy yellow. I agree with a lot of the others really - I'm not going to penalise for failing to move away unless a player is specifically dawdling or ignoring my instructions to move away, but any active move towards blocking the ball (as in the clip above) is definitely a yellow.
     
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    Ciley Myrus Well-Known Member

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    I think also this is a good example of expectation over deep analysis too
    Never mind breaking the law down to the nth degree to find an answer, it looks like a yellow, everyone expects a yellow, so issue a yellow. Stupidity from someone who has already been booked. You would understand that from someone trying to stop a quick one from someone whose team was leading with ten mins to go and he takes a card for the team.
     
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    one Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    My instincts tell me it’s a yellow but I can’t really justify it in law. Someone else may be able to help. You can go with expectations and instinct but that would mean ignoring clear wording of the law. I may be missing something here.

    Law 13.3
    Was the free kick taken: YES
    Was the kick taken quickly: YES
    Was the opponent less than 10 yards : YES
    Did opponent intercept the ball : YES
     
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    alexgr Active Member Level 7 Referee

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    @one For me (and I don't know if this is backed up by anything in law), there is a difference between an interception and a block? This is the latter for me, given his stationary position.
     
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    one Well-Known Member Level 7 Referee

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    Glossary:
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    There is no definition for block but it is used in a number of places for blocking opponents.
     
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    Murri O Member Level 6 Referee

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    I think the ambiguity is what defines an 'intercept'. Surely if he goes to take it quickly and kicks it just by you you're entitled to stick your boot out?

    But in this case he stands still for a moment, pauses, decides to retreat, then realises the quick free kick is on so takes a step towards and then sticks his foot out.

    To me it's the act of moving towards the kicker that makes it a foul not the putting of the leg out. (Which the law says you can specifically do.)
     
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    Murri O Member Level 6 Referee

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    Cheers as usual.

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    Sheffields Finest Happily minding that Gap

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    Their are far harder things to rule on, on a football pitch, he knew what he was doing, he'd be expecting a yellow at this level, give him the yellow and move the next play!! Lets stop complicating things with semantics!
     
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    es1 Well-Known Member Level 4 Referee

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    there is absolutely no way this, in my opinion, falls into the category of an interception.

    To intercept a pass you need to take control of the ball...in my opnion

    Also, again in my opinion, the spirit of this law is to allow a player, who by chance is within 10 yards of the ball when the kick is taken, not to be penalised by intercepting a pass made by the taking of a quick free kick. This wouldn't apply to a ceremonial free kick as no opponents should be within 10 yards of the ball

    if you allow the above example to go unpunished in a game you'll find every single free kick, wherever it is on the pitch, being blocked (or attempted to be blocked) unless you make it ceremonial
     
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    I agree with above, if the example shown is not punished with a YC (or at very least a retake) then you cant really stop people standing in front of any free kick and extending out their leg to block the ball.
    Family Fortunes would survey 100 football folk and 95 of them would say "yellow card", including the player himself when he watches it back. This is a good example again of the difference between knowing the semantics and knowing how to manage a football match. It does not need to be dissected into the nth degree about the Oxford English meaning of every word known to man, its a yellow card, in his case his second, get it done and get on with the game.
     
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    RustyRef Moderator Staff Member

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    It's a clear caution. Had he stood still and the ball be kicked against him then I would say play on, but there is clear and obvious movement of the leg.
     
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    Murri O Member Level 6 Referee

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    but if a player takes a free kick quickly and an opponent who is less than
    9.15 m (10 yds) from the ball intercepts it, the referee allows play to continue


    Forgetting about the above clip for a minute and not to split hairs but wouldn't the line above allow you to stick your foot out at it after it's been kicked.

    IE: You're retreating your 10, you're 8 yards back the player tries to pass it by you and you stick your foot out to intercept it. Why can't you have a go at the ball? Doesn't the word 'intercept' mean you can go for it? If they meant kicked against you they would word it like they do when you can take a throw the ball in against an opposition player to play on.
     
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    You're over thinking this OMurri, grab a glass of the Amber Nectar and chill a bit watching the Poms Down Under!!! Whats it going to be 5-0??:rolleyes:
     
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    Murri O Member Level 6 Referee

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