WiisardNic
Well-Known Member
These lines they use are a bit weird. Not sure if anyone saw the disallowed "did it cross the line" in Australia's A-League this weekend?
Your second sentence, i have been saying it since VAR started. Its not just offside,@Sheffields Finest you started this with a comment about clear and obvious but you know that clear and obvious doesn't apply to offside, it has been said enough times on here.
That said, they need to do something about offside as they are doing it down to millimetres and I am far from convinced that the technology on offsides is accurate enough for that.
I get that but its a phrase used in common parlance in football and you know exactly what I mean but i know you like to input negatively on my posts. We've gone from trying to engineer out the 'clear and obvious' errors to 'lets look for minute stuff because we can'. Unless you're a Spurs fan or a Wednesday fan you'd be miffed if this was scrubbed off for your team. I haven't read ANYBODY recently that actually think this system is working well, they are going from week to week looking more like buffoons than what they ever looked before. Its currently a joke system run by refs that are not technological. I cant wait till Jon Moss turns up at BL to do his day job!!! He's going to get a great welcome!!
I'd be miffed if it was scrubbed out for anyone (believe it or not I am actually somewhat in awe of our cross City neighbour's rise up the league). I don't think it is working well, and as I've said many times they need to turn on the pitch side monitors. That wouldn't help here though, and even in Europe they are doing offside to the millimetre and without ever using the monitors as it is a black and white rather than subjective decision.
But, and to answer One's point at the same time, there is no doubt that PGMOL are doing offside to the millimetre so there is no clear and obvious. Whether that is right, whether it is in line with IFAB guidance and regulations, is well and truly open to debate, but they certainly are doing it that way. Would be very difficult to change midseason as then there will be total misbalance and injustice.
My assumption would be that they are doing offsides to the millimetre to keep consistency. If you do it for all, you have consistency but if you do it for clear and obvious, people debate that line of clear and obvious for offside.
I believe the reasoning is that anything that can be factually determined (as opposed to requiring judgment) is clear and obvious if it can be detained on the video. Like many things from IFAB, the use of language may not satisfy a grammarian...
Thanks, I knew he was making it up to suit his argument!Your second sentence, i have been saying it since VAR started. Its not just offside,
Your first sentence made me wonder, does it not apply to offside decisions all together or just in determining if a player is in offside position. Because interfering with play or with an opponent is not factual but subjective. Referring to the laws of the game, it seems that both assertion (C&O not applying to offside or not applying to PIOP) are incorrect. It was something that came from standalone VAR guidelines/protocol which has since been replaced by the LOTG after VAR was no longer an experiment.
So from what I can see, C&O does apply to offside (and other 'factual decisions). Pg 141
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He wasn't actually making it up. It was that way and up until yesterday I thought the same.Thanks, I knew he was making it up to suit his argument!