Ciley Myrus
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Dissent, is one thing. and use of offensive, insulting and abusive langauage, is something else
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Dissent, and use of offensive, insulting and abusive langauage....are two different things
Erroneous use of /pedant mode/ i'm afraid......
Murri Mint starts each game with a "warning"........so the "warning then red" is applicable....as the warning is part of the pre match....otherwise it would surely be "warning, warning, then red"?
I'm Lexdyslic!!!"CIley"
Fair enough. Will take this on board.Then you are not doing your job properly......and will be LWR.
Does the pre-match talk constitute a 'first' warning for everything then?
IE. The first 'whatever' once the game starts is a sanction because you've already had words?
No, you are acknowledging that the language is potentially offensive and so are trying to prevent the offence. If Mrs Brown is not present or does not hear the potentially offensive language then the only offence is dissent due to the language used being language that you have specifically said that you don't want to hear.Fixed that for you!
If you're dealing with a player for using language (or gestures) that would upset Mrs Brown (or minors) then you are acknowledging that the language is offensive, insulting and/or abusive......and the LOTG are 100% crystal clear about what sanction is required........and it isn't a yellow card.
Cautioning in those circumstances is bottling out of the correct decision.
No, you are acknowledging that the language is potentially offensive and so are trying to prevent the offence. If Mrs Brown is not present or does not hear the potentially offensive language then the only offence is dissent due to the language used being language that you have specifically said that you don't want to hear.
You are comparing apples and oranges. A case of a foul or a DOGSO has nothing to do with what Mrs Brown thinks as far as the LOTG goes. If something said is offensive or not is dependent on if she is offended or not, although that is determined by the referee and not Mrs Brown.if a player commits a foul and said Mrs Brown thinks it warrants a yellow card, should you caution the player, even if you do not?
What if you think a foul is a DOGSO and Mrs Brown doesn't, do you go with her or your own judgement.
The same applies to dissent and OFFINABUS, it's down to the opinion of the referee
It's not apples and oranges.
Being Offended and finding something Offensive are two different things.
My point is that the LOTG states "in the opinion of the referee" so the only person who needs to decide whether something is offensive or not is the referee.
Likewise, a player running through on goal and being fouled, the only person who's opinion counts as to whether it's a DOGSO or not is the referee. The referee will take all factors into account before deciding.
No, you are acknowledging that the language is potentially offensive and so are trying to prevent the offence. If Mrs Brown is not present or does not hear the potentially offensive language then the only offence is dissent due to the language used being language that you have specifically said that you don't want to hear.
if a player commits a foul and said Mrs Brown thinks it warrants a yellow card, should you caution the player, even if you do not?
What if you think a foul is a DOGSO and Mrs Brown doesn't, do you go with her or your own judgement.
The same applies to dissent and OFFINABUS, it's down to the opinion of the referee
Wow.....just wow.
What an utter pile of tripe.....nothing more than a slackers charter to deliberately avoid doing the job properly. No wonder refereeing standards are plummeting......
@Padfoot can I present you with a simple scenario and ask how you would handle it?
In the second minute of the game the striker misses a simple tap in. He angrily yells out "F#*k" looking at the sky. Its clearly in frustration but said very loud for all spectators to hear it. There are many women and children in there.
I have to say I’m with @Padfoot on this one.
If you decide that a player needs to be punished for offensive, insulting, or abusive language, then it has to be a red.