No VAR intervention.
. Penalty kick or not? your thoughts are welcome
Really? Stonewaller imoI would be surprised to see even a second look at that, far less a pk
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I dispute that he gets taken late. His forward momentum takes him over the GK who is diving to make a save. The GK does not lunge or jump at him
It's not mistimed. Nor is it careless
The striker is the one who has run into the keeper. Players are entitled to their position
If he tapped that past the keeper (to go around him) and was hit like that then it'd be a pen for sure so I don't understand why, just because he's taken a shot, it's not.
Why do you say it is careless?If he tapped that past the keeper (to go around him) and was hit like that then it'd be a pen for sure so I don't understand why, just because he's taken a shot, it's not.
I didn't say it was careless.Why do you say it is careless?
What has the goalkeeper been careless as to?
I totally agree with you. This is not a 'collision'. The GK attempts and fails to play the ball, instead taking out the attacker who cleanly plays the ball. Whilst I understand (if not totally agree with) the unwritten convention that when a shot is blasted and missed in these type of situations the foul is not called (thinking that the ball might have been off the FOP by the time of the contact), this is not one of those times. The ball is still in play and in taking out the attacker the GK has denied him any chance to continue his involvement.If he tapped that past the keeper (to go around him) and was hit like that then it'd be a pen for sure so I don't understand why, just because he's taken a shot, it's not.
If he tapped that past the keeper (to go around him) and was hit like that then it'd be a pen for sure so I don't understand why, just because he's taken a shot, it's not.
Then what is the offence?I didn't say it was careless.
No, in that situation, fortunately for the keeper, I think the threshold for the contact between GK and attacker becomes higher and likely he gets away with the challenge... the GK is deemed to have played the ball regardless of how this came about. As we know playing the ball does not negate the possibility of a foul, just makes it significantly less likely and in this case I'd change to no foul.For the record I think it's a penalty.
But as a new twist into this, if the striker kicks the ball into the keeper (with every other action and movement being the same for both), would you still make the same decision, whatever that is?
I used to be like this too, but when you referee/assist at higher levels you do have to referee in accordance with the expectations of the players, managers, coaches and other officials. The simple fact is that there is a higher bar for FK near the penalty area, and penalties, because that's more likely to lead to a KMI.My test for penalties before I give them is would I give that anywhere else on the field. If yes, then pen. (Because I get annoyed that the tiniest touches anywhere else on the field get waved away but all of a sudden in the box the rules 'change'.)