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WillH

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VAR really should be dealing with the penalty decision quicker the moment they get the camera angle straight across showing its offside, not sure why it took so long when it was so clear
 
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WillH said:
VAR really should be dealing with the penalty decision quicker the moment they get the camera angle straight across showing its offside, not sure why it took so long when it was so clear
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Also the card lark was a bit daft. You’d think they’d have better video operators 🤷🏽‍♀️

What? They put referees in the video room, really? You’re ‘avin’ a larf!!!
 
I complained to friends last night that Salah gets little to no protection from referees and that Sheffield Uniteds Oliver McBurnie probably gets more fouls and it is correct. This season Salah has been fouled 21 times in 25 games and Burnie has been fouled 27 times in 14 games. I know Salah isn't as good as he used to be but he's still quite the threat to defenders.

I thought the ref was a bit harsh on Liverpool last night going for the underdogs badge as referees often do, but that didn't affect the game as Liverpool have only got themselves to blame for missing their chances.
 
santa sangria said:
Also the card lark was a bit daft. You’d think they’d have better video operators 🤷🏽‍♀️

What? They put referees in the video room, really? You’re ‘avin’ a larf!!!
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What could he have done differently with the card? AR hasn't flagged so he has to assume he was onside, mandatory caution, and he has to make the decision before VAR can get involved. Really struggling to see what else he could have done.
 
RustyRef said:
What could he have done differently with the card? AR hasn't flagged so he has to assume he was onside, mandatory caution, and he has to make the decision before VAR can get involved. Really struggling to see what else he could have done.
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Point was already made earlier in the thread. If it was obvious on TV it was offside, it should have been obvious to a room full of “specialists” with 9 monitors and 27 camera angles. If the TV companies can spot this, you’d expect the VAR room to spot this and advise the referee. He could have stuck his finger in his ear 45 seconds earlier, and avoided giving and rescinding the card

IMHO they are not well trained video operators. It’s pretty clear. We know from previous audio that they are poorly prepared, communicate unprofessionally and… well, don’t get me on to the protocol - as G Nev pointed out on commentary the fans had no idea what was going on, which meant they just abused the officials!
 
santa sangria said:
Point was already made earlier in the thread. If it was obvious on TV it was offside, it should have been obvious to a room full of “specialists” with 9 monitors and 27 camera angles. If the TV companies can spot this, you’d expect the VAR room to spot this and advise the referee. He could have stuck his finger in his ear 45 seconds earlier, and avoided giving and rescinding the card

IMHO they are not well trained video operators. It’s pretty clear. We know from previous audio that they are poorly prepared, communicate unprofessionally and… well, don’t get me on to the protocol - as G Nev pointed out on commentary the fans had no idea what was going on, which meant they just abused the officials!
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That isn't allowed. VAR cannot do anything until an on-pitch decision has been made.

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It really couldn't be any more clear about this.
 
Gabriel said:
This happens anyway. Even if the fans heard everything, it would still happen. It's just part of the culture of a sport which is becoming very toxic very quickly.
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What I'm reading there is "the improvement wouldn't be perfect, so may as well not bother".

Fundamentally disagree. If open audio led to 10% less referee abuse and filtered down to 10% of the grassroots players/coaches being more sympathetic to the idea that referees are human, it's a worthwhile step to take. At this point, anything that even contributes to slowing the decline of anti-referee sentiment is worth trying.

And this is a really obvious example. I don't know what was/wasn't eventually shown on screens at Goodison, but at the moment the decision was made to rescind the penalty, there was a chorus of boos and presumably referee abuse in there. For an absolutely obvious ~1m offside decision that was clearly correct. Put that on the big screen at a rugby match as the discussion is ongoing and by the point the decision has been talked through and confirmed, no one is surprised and no one blames the officials - because overturning the penalty is obviously the correct thing to do.
 
GraemeS said:
What I'm reading there is "the improvement wouldn't be perfect, so may as well not bother".

Fundamentally disagree. If open audio led to 10% less referee abuse and filtered down to 10% of the grassroots players/coaches being more sympathetic to the idea that referees are human, it's a worthwhile step to take. At this point, anything that even contributes to slowing the decline of anti-referee sentiment is worth trying.

And this is a really obvious example. I don't know what was/wasn't eventually shown on screens at Goodison, but at the moment the decision was made to rescind the penalty, there was a chorus of boos and presumably referee abuse in there. For an absolutely obvious ~1m offside decision that was clearly correct. Put that on the big screen at a rugby match as the discussion is ongoing and by the point the decision has been talked through and confirmed, no one is surprised and no one blames the officials - because overturning the penalty is obviously the correct thing to do.
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I never suggested it would a rubbish or pointless idea. I just said the problem would not be completely resolved. I personally like this idea, I’m just not sure it would have the full effect imagined by some.
 
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