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Croatia v Spain

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Well THAT penalty - taking away the actual decision to award a penalty, you could argue either way.

GK 4 yards off line when he saves it and 4 Croatia players are in (by quite a way) the box!

Not a good moment for the officials there, in a tournament that has been refereed superbly so far.
 
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The AARs have done bugger all to assist the referees so far in this competition.
That defender never touched the Spaniard last night. Awful decision. Likewise with not ordering a retake, but at least the save saw justice done.... :)
 
Well the chap was only 2 yards off his line when the ball was kicked.
I think the standard has been poor so far. Obvious cautions ignored as it was too early. The Eng/Slo game was prob the worst I've seen os far.
Referee got barged by a player and did nothing. Red card
 
deusex said:
Well the chap was only 2 yards off his line when the ball was kicked.
I think the standard has been poor so far. Obvious cautions ignored as it was too early. The Eng/Slo game was prob the worst I've seen os far.
Referee got barged by a player and did nothing. Red card
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i think he booked him? was the captain i believe, but i took my eye off things as we were arguing amongst ourselves as to whether it was a pen or not.
 
Kes said:
The AARs have done bugger all to assist the referees so far in this competition.
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How would we know? They use an electronic signal system and a communications system, both of which only the referee can hear. So only the referee in the game knows how much (or how little) the AAR's are contributing to the decision-making process.
Kes said:
Likewise with not ordering a retake, but at least the save saw justice done....
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And under the new laws, in addition to a retake, he should have cautioned the keeper.
 
Rightly or wrongly - it's now more about managing expectations

No-one - not even the attacking team - expected / demanded / even politely asked for a re-take ... same as the GK who holds the ball for 15-20 seconds before release ... we (as a collective) have grown accustom to this to the point it is not the accepted norm by the masses, aka the Spirit of the Game
 
Peter Grove said:
How would we know? They use an electronic signal system and a communications system, both of which only the referee can hear. So only the referee in the game knows how much (or how little) the AAR's are contributing to the decision-making process.
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I understand what you mean, but my statement is based on evidence of decision making being televised to millions. The naked eye tells you what you need to know Peter surely?

Take for instance, the fact that Silva wasn't pushed over at all for the penalty last night. The AAR was approx 6 feet away from it and must have been able to advise the referee as to the "innocuousness" of the incident but clearly one can only assume that he didn't because the referee awarded the penalty anyway.

How about that first match for Wales against Slovakia when Skyrtel clearly elbows that guy in the face in the penalty area, it wasn't even subtle and, as TV replays showed, right in front of the AAR who did nothing - hence no penalty and no red card.

The whole idea of having the AAR there is for that sort of purpose. These guys are normally the same level as the guy in the middle, unlike the AR's who are there by virtue of being "flag specialists" and should be making (correct) calls like these.
 
Alex71 said:
Rightly or wrongly - it's now more about managing expectations

No-one - not even the attacking team - expected / demanded / even politely asked for a re-take ... same as the GK who holds the ball for 15-20 seconds before release ... we (as a collective) have grown accustom to this to the point it is not the accepted norm by the masses, aka the Spirit of the Game
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But the only reason that no one expected or demanded the retake is because they have been conditioned not to by referees not awarding them....
 
Padfoot said:
But the only reason that no one expected or demanded the retake is because they have been conditioned not to by referees not awarding them....
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Interesting - chicken and egg argument there - have players stopped appealing because referees don't give them or have referees stopped giving them because players are not appealing;)
 
Not just the keeper encroachment, but also three Croatia players clearly inside the area, including Jedvaj who was first to the rebound. Expectations, player conditioning, whatever other excuses you might use, that just has to be a retake because it is SO blatant.

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Alex71 said:
Rightly or wrongly - it's now more about managing expectations

No-one - not even the attacking team - expected / demanded / even politely asked for a re-take ... same as the GK who holds the ball for 15-20 seconds before release ... we (as a collective) have grown accustom to this to the point it is not the accepted norm by the masses, aka the Spirit of the Game
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If the law on goalkeeper movement at a penalty had remained unchanged for some years now (as the 6-second rule has) I think we could talk about the football community in general having grown accustomed to the less than totally strict enforcement of a law that had been tried out over time and found to be lacking in some way. However the law here has just been changed - and it was made a specific point of emphasis in the new edition of the Laws that keepers must be cautioned for this type of offence.

So it is particularly disappointing to see a such a highly qualified referee in such a high-level tournament totally ignoring a part of the law that only came into effect a couple of weeks ago. I have to say that as soon as I read the new laws, it struck me that making it mandatory to caution keepers for this was a change that might well prove problematic. For example, can anyone imagine a referee in a critical international tournament game sending a keeper off in a penalty shootout for coming off his line twice (especially knowing that a substitute keeper could not replace him)?

But I would have expected that referees would have at least tried to enforce it to start with and so we could see over time whether it would actually have been workable. If we never even try to enforce it, we'll never know if it might have been successful in changing player behaviour.
 
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