TOT v LIV

[Joshref]

And when DE saw the restart is being taken as a free kick instead of a kick off he kept it quiet thinking he can sweep it under the carpet without anyone noticing? I think Dale Johnson should rethink his conspiracy theories.

Think the Audio shows this, and was obviously not a conspiracy theory by Dale Johnson

 

[ladbroke8745]

Looks like a lot of talking over each other at first led to confusion.
That's truly awful.
Check complete and don't even know what the initial decision was.
Lessons learned here, get on field to state the decision on field before VAR get involved.

 

[Degnann]

Complete mess up off England. Wonder if any further repercussions

 

[bester]

None of them in the room realised, and it was someone called Oli who told them.

 

[Degnann]

None of them in the room realised, and it was someone called Oli who told them

Actually the var operator noticed. Oli would be Michael Oliver

 

[Runner-Ref]

It’s completely and utterly rushed. I wonder if this is a by-product of people saying VAR takes too long……

 

[JamesL]

Oli would be Michael Oliver

It's not. He is PGMOL Hub Ops - whatever that is. But it's not referring to MO anyway.

 

[Tim Punter]

That would be Sheikh Mansour, who last time I checked was an individual and is therefore incapable of also being a state. Look at it another way, Rishi Sunak has various companies that he runs and operates with personal wealth. None of those companies are state owned.

I don't want to derail the wider point here, but to be very clear, what is it that you want an independent review to address? Wellbeing and fatigue is a legitimate issue for debate, but to suggest that the decision making of those officials is then influenced by the UAE (or Saudia Arabia to extend the point) is dangerous territory and has absolutely no grounding in fact or reality. Hwang scored the winning goal for Wolves v City at the weekend when he should have been dismissed - that wasn't any kind of conspiracy or interference, it was a mistake by the referee, which happens every weekend and impacts various teams every weekend.


To be state owned, the club would have to be a commercial enterprise owned by a government entity, which is not the case. Regardless of what you believe, it is simply factually incorrect to say that City are state owned.

I have never made the UAE ‘corruption’ link. only you have. An independent review, is somebody, from a sport like rugby to have a look, not PGMOL. The state argument is for another forum not a referee one, but Howard Webb, I think needs to consider, as have a lot of respected journalists such as Adam Crafton, the link. Btw when submitting evidence in the US for golf, PIF admitted they were government owned,

 

[JamesL]

What this does show is it is clearly human error.
Arrived at correct decision i.e. onside but communicated incorrectly.

 

[Tim Punter]

PGMOL release VAR audio from Spurs v Liverpool

Process leading to incorrect offside decision against Luis Diaz not being overturned explained as well as PGMOL statement

www.premierleague.com

What an utter shambles.

 

[Mooseybaby]

Am I the only one thinking what the hell does Man City's ownership structure have to do with the incidents in the Tottenham vs Liverpool match?

 

[QuaverRef]

This could so easily be rectified moving forward by having the decision announced. Instead of ‘check complete’ say ‘check complete, Diaz is onside’

 

[Runner-Ref]

This could so easily be rectified moving forward by having the decision announced. Instead of ‘check complete’ say ‘check complete, Diaz is onside’

It would need to clearer than that. On the comms, it’s very easy to mix up onside & offside. The basic terminology should be along the lines of ‘check complete, result is goal goal goal’

 

[george.g]

I do really feel for Darren England there

 

[Therealcjhill]

It's not. He is PGMOL Hub Ops - whatever that is. But it's not referring to MO anyway.

It was Oli Kahout I think his name is

 

[Therealcjhill]

It’s completely and utterly rushed. I wonder if this is a by-product of people saying VAR takes too long……

It’s only rushed because they thought they were making a very simple onside decision. So it could be sorted quickly.

 

[RefGod]

Looks like a lot of talking over each other at first led to confusion.
That's truly awful.
Check complete and don't even know what the initial decision was.
Lessons learned here, get on field to state the decision on field before VAR get involved.

Which from the abundance of clips on the Portal, regularly takes place and is routine.

 

[David F]

Honestly listening to the audio, this could have happened to anyone. This is a system issue far more than it is human error, and I hope the obvious fix (“you may award the goal”) is in place by the weekend. This was always going to happen at some point, it’s just DE’s bad luck it happened to him.

On top of that, they could also change the LotG to allow refs to return for an incorrect restart if discovered within a minute of the restart.

 

[FirsFox40]

On top of that, they could also change the LotG to allow refs to return for an incorrect restart if discovered within a minute of the restart.

I haven’t thought this through (so expect me to get a job at IFAB), but up to the NEXT restart… would that work? If you’ve restarted after the balls-up, someone can get on comms like DELAY DELAY and you can roll back one decision.

 

[Big Cat]

It's like listening to the audio from a plane crash. Pilots these days are as close to perfecting sanitised communication as anyone. The word 'perfect' was regrettable