Sin bins
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All looks correct as far as I understood my training.
The one that slightly surprised me is that the 8 minute sin bin exception apparently DOESN'T apply in the case of a double header if the matches would normally be 90 minutes. So even though you're playing 60 minute matches, a sin bin in that case would still be the full 10 minutes.
PinnerPaul
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Yes and even better than that, have been promised a handy sized card that fits in match card wallet.
PinnerPaul
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Oh, the first disagreement - our trainer told us double headers, because they are not 90' ARE 8 min sin bins?
The photo is from one of these such cards which are 105mm x 75 mm that do indeed fit into a match card wallet. This was issued by Suffolk FA
I mean, that makes much more sense to me! Anyone else had this come up at their training?
I've been on the training. The first couple of months of the season will be a bit of a mess as teams will have no idea about how this works. The best way to manage this is to explain the sin binning procedure before the match to both teams.
I did a friendly game yesterday between two amateur teams. Both are well run clubs with good management. I asked them before the game if they were aware of the new sin binning process coming in next season. One manager had no idea and the other had heard a bit about it on Facebook but had no idea how it worked. Most amateur clubs finish in April and won't get together until a week before the season starts. They've been invited to learn abour sin bins but the majority won't go. Refs need to accept that the first month or two will require us to explain it before the game as failing to do so will probably lead to confusion and anger during the match. I know We shouldn't have to but that's a proactive approach that will help your game management imo
I did a friendly game yesterday between two amateur teams. Both are well run clubs with good management. I asked them before the game if they were aware of the new sin binning process coming in next season. One manager had no idea and the other had heard a bit about it on Facebook but had no idea how it worked. Most amateur clubs finish in April and won't get together until a week before the season starts. They've been invited to learn abour sin bins but the majority won't go. Refs need to accept that the first month or two will require us to explain it before the game as failing to do so will probably lead to confusion and anger during the match. I know We shouldn't have to but that's a proactive approach that will help your game management imo
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In North Riding, there has been presentations, and emails that every clubs should be aware. Some step 7/8 clubs are starting pre season next week..... League does not start until end of August.
As with any changes to LOTG, clubs should be aware. Treat them as they know - not your responsibility to train the players not to show dissent!!!!
In North Riding, there has been presentations, and emails that every clubs should be aware. Some step 7/8 clubs are starting pre season next week..... League does not start until end of August.
As with any changes to LOTG, clubs should be aware. Treat them as they know - not your responsibility to train the players not to show dissent!!!!
In our area a ridiculous amount of sessions were put on for clubs, secretary’s, referees etc. The clubs which don’t know how it works are the clubs which didn’t bother trying to find out. I’ll maybe give a brief overview, but it’ll be brief
I couldn't agree more. But at grass roots, which Is where I ref, clubs finish in April and come back in August and there's no chance of them attending a session. The guys at the training session emphasised how few grass roots/Sunday League clubs will attend and that is the reality.
So, I'll get to the games in the first month or so of the new season and ask the teams if they are aware of the new sin bin laws. The majority will say no and then I'll give a very brief explanation which will probably be 2 sentences long. If they both say yes (highly unlikely in Sunday League adult football) I'll crack on with the game. It's not my job to explain it I agree, but I deal with realities and the reality is that If I drive a quick explanation then it will help during the game. If I don't there will be all kinds of confusion and anger etc and I'd rather be proactive. Each to there own.
zarathustra
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In Kent they ran loads and loads and loads of courses/presentations etc.
I know my local leagues made it mandatory that each team had to send representatives.
I know my local leagues made it mandatory that each team had to send representatives.
zarathustra
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Of course, the question is whether those people from teams who attended (I think it was coach/manager and captain) remember what was said, and/or actually passed the information the rest of their team.
Indeed. I certainly know that Manchester FA has attended every league AGM to present in sin bins and the new law changes.
This happened last season with NorfolkFA and this season Suffolk FA did the same thing. The issue is that the people attending the league AGM's tend to be those that are removed from the playing arm of the clubs and as a result the information has to be passed down the line and this is where the issue arrises.
I find it strange that us refs are told if you do not attend a workshop for sin bins you cannot ref until you have but players can do as they like. A two-tier system!