Imagine the furore if Iran had taken the last minute chance which hit the side netting. Bye bye Ronnie and his cohorts!
Can I ask if you are @cwyeary reincarnated as @Jorik0907
Can’t beat a smart referee dressed in all black!
Great fingers from the man in black
Black adidas kit is lovely
You already answered your own question - idiotsHas anyone explained how the 2 idiots came up with a caution for the clearest case of VC you could see?
Am still unsure as to how Ronaldo could be cautioned. His incident was surely reviwed as potential violent conduct. If he is guilty of vc its a red. Given no red was shown, am assuming the ref did not find Ronaldo guilty of vc. So how, given var is not used for giving yc in the protocol, can he then be cautioned?
Its like going to court on a drink driving charge, having it thrown out, but then the police allege at random that you had your music too loud when they stopped you
ThisIrrelevant in the case of Ronaldo.
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There is no Careless, reckless, excessive force here. Its either negligible or not, meaning red or nothing. A yellow card is incorrect in law. The fact it was cautioned means the strike was seen. Red all day without a shadow of doubt.
Now you have lost me...
They are replaying incidents to referees in a both who then communicate to the ref on the pitch.
The whole concept is called VAR..
I’m confused as to what has caused the uproar on here tonight if it wasn’t the VAR process.
Or because the officials different understanding of what the process is because they have been inadequately documented or not trained properly. The process is a part of a larger system which is flawed.a penalty is given correctly via VAR in one game, but another is given incorrectly the next game. The VAR process is identical for both incidents but only one factor has changed and that's the person using it
My point is that the issue isn't with the process. The process works. It's the referees making the decision who are getting it wrong.
VAR itself is a fantastic idea but the problems are being caused by human error. The human error is refereeing decisions which exist with or without VAR
Put it this way.... a penalty is given correctly via VAR in one game, but another is given incorrectly the next game. The VAR process is identical for both incidents but only one factor has changed and that's the person using it
Or the officials understanding of what the process is because they have been inadequately documented or not trained properly. The process is a part of a larger system which is flawed.
Indeed all down to interpretation no matter how many cameras or replays.
I think we are way off having a protocol that is remotely viable.
Without doubt, VAR has caused the controversy tonight, instead of preventing it.
Correct partly assumption but an educated one. Surly adequate training will lead to the same officials interpreting and acting in a consistent way on similar incidents. Yet by on your own post you say they haven't been. These are world class referees who know a thing or two to get to the world cup not the your first year Sunday league referees.That's an assumption based on nothing bar speculation. We don't know the level of training or whats been documented for each referee using the process but lets face it, that handball isn't a process problem, it's a bad decision.
You can't eliminate human error so, why have VAR in the first place? VAR is management by committee, a politbureau of referees not an advancement in useful technology. GLT, yes but VAR, no.VAR itself is a fantastic idea but the problems are being caused by human error. The human error is refereeing decisions which exist with or without VAR
That is allowable according to the protocol. A VAR review cannot be initiated for a cautionable offence but if a red card review then shows what the referee judges to be a yellow card, they can give it.Ok, but he was cautioned!
I thought we already had this discussion. The VAR protocol does not allow penalty encroachment to be reviewed unless:Rubbish VAR - totally inconsistent with the referee's foul line
No VAR for the pen encroachment!
an attacker who encroached scores or is directly involved in a goal being scored [or] a defender who encroached prevents an attacker playing or being able to play the ball in a situation where a goal might be scored