Totally understand the risks involved and something I have thought about.
Promotions - Season Ending 2024
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How would you plan to mitigate Rusty’s situation, with a potential bus chucker a month after a bad mark!
Had an L3 observe an L4 this season on Tuesday, who were then on a Step 3 game together on the Saturday.
I'll be mostly South West Peninsula (step 6) and potentially 1 western league (step 5) club in reach now with the 2 that would have been having been promoted to step 4.Welcome Sir.
You'll have a bit of conflict on Saturdays if you're still officiating mate. (Also, it's not normal to be observing referees with whom you officiate on field yourself). You'll also have 2 MOAS calendars to keep on top of. Which league/clubs are you looking to observe on?
Given I only get 1-2 games a month currently I'll be looking to fill in some midweek availability and keep Saturdays for active refereeing. I am going to be a referee principally, with observing when I have the availability to do so.
Given I get my appointments a month ahead, generally, i'll know who I am working with so should any of those referees turn up on my observer list I will politely decline the appointment and be asked to be sent somewhere else.
I can't fore tell the future, but it's totally possible to maintain relationships post more development focussed observations.
I know there are some troublesome refs out there and ultimately I will learn who they are and add them to my I won't observe them list if I have to. There are more professional refs than there are bad eggs and all the risks pointed out have opposites to.
Back to the current year process. Given lack of timetable from FA (not sure why by the way) from looking at this thread am I right in assuming
1. Automatic promotions out
2. Assessment day invites out
3. Reclassification emails out
Only people who have heard nothing are this staying where they are ? Or is that over simplifying ?
1. Automatic promotions out
2. Assessment day invites out
3. Reclassification emails out
Only people who have heard nothing are this staying where they are ? Or is that over simplifying ?
I haven’t heard of anyone 4-3 or 3-2b that has received automatic promotion, but that isn’t to say those that have haven’t been notified. I have a friend who is L4 and was there or there abouts but has heard nothing, he’s assuming he’s remaining a 4.
Level 4 emails are out, at least assessment day emails are.
In the SW pool from what I have heard only the top 3 (out of 80+) have been offered something (2&3 were assessment days) and I dont know what numero uno outcome was. And I doubt I will until next week when the full lists come out.
I know a 3-2b and a 4-3 who have been promoted without assessment day and a SAR. By all accounts there are not a lot of automatic promotions
I had my last 3w observation from a referee who does appointments to my Sunday league and I’ve run the line for on a county cup. If he’d given me a 68 I wouldn’t hold it against him. I think unless you’re being unfair then anyone with a temperament that doesn’t allow them to accept a low mark and still be a professional with you probably isn’t a great person to have at the top end of the game.
A well written and constructive report, along with communication prior to and on the day of the game eg pre match and post match debrief, would hopefully mitigate issues with any L4 who is later placed on your line & may only occasionally happen with appointments. Since I have been on this site and have been reading your comments on many subjects I have no doubt you have the ability/skill to deal with.
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After doing 4-3 accreditation last season, I was only able to observe on Wessex or Hellenic since I was still operating as an AR on the Western League. I was advised by the coordinator and both chaps I did my shadow observations with that this is generally accepted practice. Were I (or anyone still active) to be observing people with whom I'd worked recently or prospectively then it might be difficult to abide by the reporting principles contained in Section 2 of the Step 3-6 Observer Manual which quite clearly states:
Observers are encouraged to disregard any past experience or opinion (either of their own or those shared by other colleagues) regarding the match officials being observed. Performance must be judged solely on the game observed.
Conversely, were I a level 4 referee being observed by a person who only 2 weeks earlier had been running the line for me, I might find that rather odd.
Just saying like ....
Observers are encouraged to disregard any past experience or opinion (either of their own or those shared by other colleagues) regarding the match officials being observed. Performance must be judged solely on the game observed.
Conversely, were I a level 4 referee being observed by a person who only 2 weeks earlier had been running the line for me, I might find that rather odd.
Just saying like ....
Some good points, though the quoted para concerns all Observers whether still active or not & I would like to think all Observers abide by the comment.After doing 4-3 accreditation last season, I was only able to observe on Wessex or Hellenic since I was still operating as an AR on the Western League. I was advised by the coordinator and both chaps I did my shadow observations with that this is generally accepted practice. Were I (or anyone still active) to be observing people with whom I'd worked recently or prospectively then it might be difficult to abide by the reporting principles contained in Section 2 of the Step 3-6 Observer Manual which quite clearly states:
Observers are encouraged to disregard any past experience or opinion (either of their own or those shared by other colleagues) regarding the match officials being observed. Performance must be judged solely on the game observed.
Conversely, were I a level 4 referee being observed by a person who only 2 weeks earlier had been running the line for me, I might find that rather odd.
Just saying like ....
Most referees would absolutely behave professionally and, no matter how unfair they thought the report was, wouldn't take that into a game where they were working with the observer. But there are certainly a small number that don't have that mindset. I was told about an L4 and L3 who nearly came to blows at half time in a game after the former had a go at the latter saying he was doing exactly what he had told him not to do when he observed him, the other AR had to intervene. And one L4 still blames me for a report I did on him years ago that he felt cost him his promotion, he's blanked me ever since and I've been told that he bad mouths me to other referees. I'm not active in the system anymore so not a problem, but it wouldn't have been a good situation having him on my line.
Crikey. Very unprofessional of the Referees concerned and even from their temperament, they didn’t deserve promotion. Still a situation that nobody would want to be involved in.
Congratulations Cat!
So did I, but at least you know for sure.
I have been retained too... News I was awaiting to be confirmed... You never know for sure until you get the nod.. Phew..
Phew..
Think this is to replace the old email we used to get confirming merit table position etc. now we have the live tables.
This is a prompt to, if you want to see, check MOAS statistics for your final standings/av. Score for the season.
Like you I don't recall receiving a retained email before and no news was good news (unless you were hoping for promotion of course)
