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Z0re00

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Hey, not sure if this is the right section of the forum, or If I am even allowed to post as I see this is a UK based forum, but recently had a sitaution in our league that most of us are divided on. The defender obviously gets the ball first, but then trips the opponent in the penalty box because the movement follows through. Would you give this as a pen? It was not given after VAR review. Most of us in my group say this isn't clear & obvious for a VAR intervention. Going off IFAB, would this be considered careless?

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Hey, not sure if this is the right section of the forum, or If I am even allowed to post as I see this is a UK based forum, but recently had a sitaution in our league that most of us are divided on. The defender obviously gets the ball first, but then trips the opponent in the penalty box because the movement follows through. Would you give this as a pen? It was not given after VAR review. Most of us in my group say this isn't clear & obvious for a VAR intervention. Going off IFAB, would this be considered careless?

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See this thread for opinions a similar incident.

 
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Could have done with this video about 4 days ago!

Fairly similar challenge in the Wolves vs Villa game yesterday, which was not given. Think it was Malen who made the challenge. Then there as a challenge in the build up to Wolves 2nd in which he won ball and then stood on other players foot.

But what do I know 😉

To answer your question @Z0re00 it would be a stonewall penalty to some members of the forum. They’d decide the person was carelessly tripped as they don’t want football to be a contact sport. Or had the referee been Michael Oliver, he would have stuck with his decision as he is such a strong-willed and confident character.
 
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That's because the referee has to decide whether the kick or trip on the opponent was careless, which is then a free kick.
A perfect example of how to sit on the fence and not give an opinion…….

We have had 3 very good examples this weekend of challenges in which the defending player gets the ball and makes contact with the opponent afterwards. All have been deemed to be no fouls.

Exactly what I said in the last thread.
 
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I think a helpful way of looking at it is that if there is a “trip” where the defender does not get the ball, it is almost certainly a foul.

Where the defender touches the ball, it is much more nuanced. Getting the ball is not a license to kill. Conceptually, there is a difference between the attacker tripping over the player that fairly played the ball, and the defender carelessly tripping the attacker after touching the ball. That can be a fine distinction on certain p,ays, and there is never going to be 100% agreement on some plays because of it.
 
A perfect example of how to sit on the fence and not give an opinion…….

We have had 3 very good examples this weekend of challenges in which the defending player gets the ball and makes contact with the opponent afterwards. All have been deemed to be no fouls.

Exactly what I said in the last thread.
As I (and indeed you) have not seen the OP incident, I cannot offer an informed opinion so I just quoted Law 12 as a reminder to other readers of how to arrive at a correct decision.
You have indicated your opinion on other matches - no help to the OP - whilst continuing to be less than polite about other forum members and about a respected international referee.
Your choice - I prefer the constructive approach.
 
As I (and indeed you) have not seen the OP incident, I cannot offer an informed opinion so I just quoted Law 12 as a reminder to other readers of how to arrive at a correct decision.
You have indicated your opinion on other matches - no help to the OP - whilst continuing to be less than polite about other forum members and about a respected international referee.
Your choice - I prefer the constructive approach.
There’s a link to the incident in the OP. So before you randomly quote law, read the post. Especially ironic as you literally told someone this the other day.

I’ve been more than polite, you’ll find it was others members who decided to mock in previous threads. They were clearly failing to show relevant levels of empathy, similar to MO. Ironically, those people who were happy to be vocal in previous threads have been rather quiet on this one. Im half expecting ‘what football expects’ to make an appearance.

Ps- the bit in bold is extremely ironic after advising people to ignore me in a previous thread. Asking people to ignore someone is in no way constructive.
 
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Some of the big general considerations for me.
-Is it careless without ball contact?
- the order of ball contact and opponent contact.
- Which legs trips/kicks the opponent? The same leg that played/touched the ball or the other leg
- Does the oppoenet still have a fair chance of reaching the ball after the ball contact by defender?


No two incidents are the same. For the OP, for starters, it should not have been referred for review as neither decision would have been clearly and obviously wrong. In terms of what I would have given with the benefit of replay? The leg that played the ball then kicks the opponent (who is already falling due to imbalance after normal footballing contact) on the follow through. This is not a pen for me.
 
In case anyone wanted an update, Damir Skomina reviewed the footage today and said that VAR should not have intervented as there is not clear enough evidence as to who played the ball from these camera angles and is therefore not an clear and obvious erorr by the referee.
 
I think it is not a pen because the direction of the ball change that mean the defnder touch the ball so what happend after that is not a gulty for definder
 
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