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Only one CAR

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#1
This weekend I had a game where one side turned up with 11 and the other 12. In terms of having CAR's, where would you stand on this? I debated not having a CAR at all feeling that giving one a lino and the other no lino would give an advantage to one side. In the same line of thought, I debated switching the lino to do the left back of each side each half but again, felt this would give an advantage to the same side. Asked a couple of spectators who were unwilling even when I said you don't have to run, just standing in the final third and at least help me with the ball going out of play

What would you do in this scenario? I opted to have no CAR's at all due to the above and explained to the captains play the offside trap at your own risk as I'll only be able to call obvious offsides.
 

alexgr

Well-Known Member
#2
Depends what the league rules say. Some state the club HAS to provide CARs and a failure to do so entails a fine. Personally, I think in this case I'd much rather go ahead with none - would bring in both captains/managers beforehand, explain that I didn't want to give either team an unfair advantage over the other and would be calling everything as I saw it.
 

Ciley Myrus

I came in like a wrecking ball?
#3
Thousands of referees, (ok, maybe not thousands, but, certainly hundreds) in Scotland, (myself included) will have done 4 middles over the weekend without CARs. Am not for the record opening my pet hate of debating the actual requirement to use CARs, am well aware they are required in some leagues/countries. What am saying is, you must adapt.
In my games at the weekend, the only talking point of note I can recall that an assistant could have helped me out with was a handball which I clearly missed as my view was blocked.
Offsides, its like a mental block for guys.
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#4
Depends what the league rules say. Some state the club HAS to provide CARs and a failure to do so entails a fine. Personally, I think in this case I'd much rather go ahead with none - would bring in both captains/managers beforehand, explain that I didn't want to give either team an unfair advantage over the other and would be calling everything as I saw it.
The rules do dictate that both clubs must provide CAR's or will be fined. However, it doesn't state the match process if they can't be provided.

Thousands of referees, (ok, maybe not thousands, but, certainly hundreds) in Scotland, (myself included) will have done 4 middles over the weekend without CARs. Am not for the record opening my pet hate of debating the actual requirement to use CARs, am well aware they are required in some leagues/countries. What am saying is, you must adapt.
In my games at the weekend, the only talking point of note I can recall that an assistant could have helped me out with was a handball which I clearly missed as my view was blocked.
Offsides, its like a mental block for guys.
Happy to adapt as stated above, this was more a case of when you only have one, do you go all or nothing?
 

Ciley Myrus

I came in like a wrecking ball?
#5
I dont think anyone would need knowledge of football to use the common sense approach, of, none .

What would be the logic in using one !!
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#6
I dont think anyone would need knowledge of football to use the common sense approach, of, none .

What would be the logic in using one !!
The logic would be to help with the offside ruling of at least one end of the pitch, for potentially at least one side each half along with help with the ball going in an out of play.

As I said, I went with none, I'm purely looking to see what other people have done in the past when they are in leagues which stipulate not having CAR's
 

lincs22

Supply League Observer
Staff member
Observer/Tutor
#10
The rules do dictate that both clubs must provide CAR's or will be fined. However, it doesn't state the match process if they can't be provided.
The normal position is you take all decisions, allowing the CAR to give only ball on/out. And you report the failing club to the league.

I guess you didn't read the OP where I typed out the potential issue with the same guy/team using the flag on the same line both halves.

I mean, it's just a question.
Not an issue, you just can't use him for other than ball in/out decisions. And you explain to the captains/managers.

Any defender who complains about your decisions can leave the FOP and become your CAR :)[/QUOTE][/QUOTE]
 
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GraemeS

RefChat Addict
#12
Apologies for dragging this back on topic, but...

I think supplying a CAR is an advantage over not having CAR, as I'm less likely to give an offside for the side without a CAR unless it's really obvious. I've had this before in pre-season matches at least, and in those cases I've always allowed the side with a CAR to use it, always put them on their own LB for both halves, and punished the side without one with a slight disadvantage as a result.
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#13
Just 11 and 12 people? No manager or medical staff?

I think you made the right call. :)
Mad isn't it. Managers of both sides were playing! Sad state of affairs for grass roots football unfortunately

Apologies for dragging this back on topic, but...

I think supplying a CAR is an advantage over not having CAR, as I'm less likely to give an offside for the side without a CAR unless it's really obvious. I've had this before in pre-season matches at least, and in those cases I've always allowed the side with a CAR to use it, always put them on their own LB for both halves, and punished the side without one with a slight disadvantage as a result.
Another good point. As a league ruling, by not actually providing one you put yourself at an immediate disadvantage. By making the decision not to use them, it ultimately creates a level playing field and potentially disrupts the teams backline who've turned up with one ....
 

one

RefChat Addict
#15
Send one of the 11 off, then you have 2 CAR's, problem solved ;)
Assuming competition rules say a sent off player can't partake in the game even as a CAR, then the better solution is send one of the 12 off. You end up with a well balanced and fair no CAR.
 

xPositor

RefChat Addict
#17
This scenario amuses me in some ways. Why should a club, through no fault of its own, not have their CAR used for offsides (if normal practice for your area)? If one team turned up with just 10 players, would you ask the other side to reduce their team by one as well?
 

Ganajin

Active Member
#18
Our leagues here in Western Australia deal with the problem simply and bluntly:

"... each team will provide a club assistant referee to assist the match referee.
If either club does not comply, then the match may not proceed."

In seven years of refereeing here, I have never had a game where the club failed to provide a CAR. This of course does not make the standard
of such officials any better (or worse) than you find the world over. But at least we always get them.
 

GraemeS

RefChat Addict
#19
Our leagues here in Western Australia deal with the problem simply and bluntly:

"... each team will provide a club assistant referee to assist the match referee.
If either club does not comply, then the match may not proceed."

In seven years of refereeing here, I have never had a game where the club failed to provide a CAR. This of course does not make the standard
of such officials any better (or worse) than you find the world over. But at least we always get them.
Wow, that seems an extreme response to the problem! The equivalent rule in all of my local competitions says the match should go ahead and the teams will later be fined.
 

RustyRef

Administrator
Staff member
#20
I'd say use the one. As an example, the team that do have a CAR may have arranged for someone to come along specially to do it.

Similar to the rules at contrib and some supply leagues in England. If a match official fails to arrive or becomes incapacitated the two clubs must agree on a replacement, if they don't the game must be played / continue with the two remaining officials.
 
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