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Inter v Real Madrid

ladbroke8745

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I'm yet to see it, so can't comment properly, but reading text commentary of the game, it looks like Anthony Taylor has sent off Vidal for 2 yellow cards, both issued in seconds.
Its possible that the first was for simulation and the 2nd was for something he said.
Rare to see this, and if this is exactly how it is- i stand and applaud him. Very rare.
 

Eddie

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I wish more top flight refs had the backbone to punish both simulation and dissent. Lower level players definitely replicate the pro’s in thinking they can do and say as they please.
 

one

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Well deserved send off. It should become more common in top flight. I would say a straight red instead of the second yellow would have been even better.

Players need to understand the difference between appealing for a decision and protesting for it. This started with an appeal but soon become a huge protest.

The only mistake Vidal made was not cry his eyes out on his way out. It could have saved him a suspension.

Any thoughts on the penalty incidents. I thought the one not given to Inter before the send off could have possibly been a pen with possibly a very slight contact on Vidal before Varane played the ball. But no pen a better decision decision for me. The one given to Real on 6th minute was an excellent decision. The contact was not obvious but decisive for a pen.
 

RefIADad

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If there was contact with Taylor, then I would have preferred a straight red for VC or abusive language/gestures. But in any case, well done to Anthony Taylor. That kind of garbage (including most of the Inter team surrounding him) needs out of the game. The best way to do it is for the referees at the professional level to effectively deal with it so we don’t hear the “but the guy on TV last weekend didn’t get punished” excuse.

Anthony Taylor is a completely different referee in UEFA competitions compared to the Premier League. I wonder how much of that is the apparent mismanagement of PGMOL. Taylor is so much better in UCL and European matches compared to when he officiates in the Premier League.
 

RustyRef

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There's a possible brushing of Vidal's chest against Taylor's arm. If you are sending off there as a straight red you are doing so for VC and a FIFA referee doing that would be laughed out of town (and his FIFA badge).

Whereas two cautions was very good to see and more than appropriate.
 

socal lurker

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C1 by way of AA then 🙄😉
So far as I know, AA is solely a UK code/term. Anyone know know if it is used where else? It’s not one of the listed examples of USB in the Laws, so it either becomes generic USB or disrespect for the game. that’s why I think the best bucket for this is dissent—he bumped the ref while arguing. No need to reach for anything beyond dissent. (Though I can see why in the UK the AA would seem natural—but it ultimately doesn’t make any difference, except in a game with sin bins, I suppose.)
 

RefIADad

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There's a possible brushing of Vidal's chest against Taylor's arm. If you are sending off there as a straight red you are doing so for VC and a FIFA referee doing that would be laughed out of town (and his FIFA badge).

Whereas two cautions was very good to see and more than appropriate.
I don’t disagree with this. I know that in most US professional sports, contact like this with an official is an automatic ejection. Doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or not. So my viewpoint is biased with exposure to other sports. I have seen less contact in both the NFL and NBA result in ejections.

No issues at all with this being called dissent under the current Laws and precedent of the sport. I do wish, however, that a play like this would be codified as a send off. That may also reduce some of the surrounding of referees we see too much.
 

socal lurker

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I have seen less contact in both the NFL and NBA result in ejections.

While I don’t know that NFL (with players in pads and helmets) is a great analogy, I think the NBA is spot on. The NBA ,
Made it crystal clear that you don’t contact officials. Everyone know it. Magic Johnson famously got tossed from a game for bumping a ref while arguing—he went in the locker room protesting that he didn’t do anything. In the locker room he saw the video, and said he had t realized he actually bumped the ref, but since he did, the ref was right to toss hm, and he apologized. I th8nk that’s where soccer *should* be, too. It we are (at the professional level anyway) far, far from that standard.
 

santa sangria

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While I don’t know that NFL (with players in pads and helmets) is a great analogy, I think the NBA is spot on. The NBA ,
Made it crystal clear that you don’t contact officials. Everyone know it. Magic Johnson famously got tossed from a game for bumping a ref while arguing—he went in the locker room protesting that he didn’t do anything. In the locker room he saw the video, and said he had t realized he actually bumped the ref, but since he did, the ref was right to toss hm, and he apologized. I th8nk that’s where soccer *should* be, too. It we are (at the professional level anyway) far, far from that standard.
I think a blanket law would be a mistake as there should be an allowance for accidental contact with e.g. assistants. I've learned the hard way - still have a black toe from 6 years ago - that priority number one as AR is get out of the effing way when two players are running at you full on challenging for the ball - but it's not always possible ;)
 

Jorik0907

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So far as I know, AA is solely a UK code/term. Anyone know know if it is used where else? It’s not one of the listed examples of USB in the Laws, so it either becomes generic USB or disrespect for the game. that’s why I think the best bucket for this is dissent—he bumped the ref while arguing. No need to reach for anything beyond dissent. (Though I can see why in the UK the AA would seem natural—but it ultimately doesn’t make any difference, except in a game with sin bins, I suppose.)
In NL we don't even code Yellows anymore as they're non-appealable anyway
 

Big Cat

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So far as I know, AA is solely a UK code/term. Anyone know know if it is used where else? It’s not one of the listed examples of USB in the Laws, so it either becomes generic USB or disrespect for the game. that’s why I think the best bucket for this is dissent—he bumped the ref while arguing. No need to reach for anything beyond dissent. (Though I can see why in the UK the AA would seem natural—but it ultimately doesn’t make any difference, except in a game with sin bins, I suppose.)
On first qualifying, my first source of confusion was that the FA codes didn't marry up with the LOTG
I spent weeks trying to figure out what I was missing. If the National FA can't decipher the book, what chance has anyone else got?
That said, Aggression or Aggressive Attitude is one of my most frequently used codes. So who is wrong? It should be specified in the book
That said again, we also have codes for Foul Tackle and Push/Pull with no mention of SPA. Brainless
 
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RefIADad

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I think a blanket law would be a mistake as there should be an allowance for accidental contact with e.g. assistants. I've learned the hard way - still have a black toe from 6 years ago - that priority number one as AR is get out of the effing way when two players are running at you full on challenging for the ball - but it's not always possible ;)
Totally agree. Accidental contact through the normal course of play shouldn’t be an ejection. If I insinuated that, I apologize.
The type of situation that should be a send-off is like when Aguero put his arm around Massey-Ellis. Aguero was clearly arguing and put his arm around her as part of the argument. The NFL and NBA simply do not allow that type of contact to happen without an ejection. Major League Baseball often adds a one game suspension for minor contact and multiple games for more forceful or deliberate contact.
 
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