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IFAB confusing communication on deliberate handball inside the penalty area

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jnwright71

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Hi All,

I am our club’s ref co-ordinator and having been running a ‘laws of the game’ quiz/fun facts post. Today, I found this.

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But this evening I found this which aligns with my understanding:

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So, which is correct ?

Thx, James
 
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Both are correct.

The law change is specifically about DOGSO (denial of a goal scoring opportunity) or SPA (stopping a promising attack) situations.

The first question specifically says not dogso or spa.
 
Thanks James. I understand the change ref non-deliberate, but the attached seems to confirm;

- any deliberate handball in the penalty area results in a red card, AND;
- deliberate handball, if it isn’t SPA or DOGSO, no caution

It can’t be both.
 
jnwright71 said:
Thanks James. I understand the change ref non-deliberate, but the attached seems to confirm;

- any deliberate handball in the penalty area results in a red card, AND;
- deliberate handball, if it isn’t SPA or DOGSO, no caution

It can’t be both.
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You are taking it out of context. It is saying deliberate handball + DOGSO + PK is still a red card where as non-deliberate + DOGSO + PK = yellow.
 
Handball offence has two possibilities, deliberate and non deliberate.

Offences around goal can result in a penalty or no penalty kick awarded.

Offences can be DOGSO, SPA or none of the above.

A combination of all of the above determines the sanction. As James explained each of those images refer to different combinations and don't contradict.




jnwright71 said:
any deliberate handball in the penalty area results in a red card,
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This is incorrect. Where do you infer this from?
Edit. I think you are referring to second image, last sentence. You can't read that sentence in isolation. You have to read it in the context of the entire paragraph.

As usual the way ifab has worded it is not very helpful, but in this case it is pretty clear what they mean. It should read "Deliberate handball, when DOGSO, remains a red card...."
 
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Fantastic summary. Which is equivalant to a normal careless foul, when attempting to play the ball vs when not attempting to play the ball.
 
santa sangria said:
Excellent! You get the gig! Great summary.

I’m trying to find a question… what about advantage… specifically… inside the area, deliberate HB, DOGSO, advantage, goal. I think no card?
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"If the offence was dogso the player is cautioned" or words to that effect.
 
santa sangria said:
Excellent! You get the gig! Great summary.

I’m trying to find a question… what about advantage… specifically… inside the area, deliberate HB, DOGSO, advantage, goal. I think no card?
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Gr8 question - I've always wondered what I'd do if a defender made a diving save with hand on the goalline but didn't DOG as the ball was already going wide. advantage played then no DOGSO therefore no RC but think it's YC for USB?
 
I’m overthinking it. It’s covered clearly:

“
Advantage
If the referee plays the advantage for an offence for which a caution/sending-off would have been issued had play been stopped, this caution/sending-off must be issued when the ball is next out of play. However, if the offence was denying the opposing team an obvious goal-scoring opportunity the player is cautioned for unsporting behaviour; if the offence was interfering with or stopping a promising attack, the player is not cautioned.”

YC simples.
 
Ingerstingly, sanction is the same even if a goal is not scored. We had a discussion on this not too long ago.
 
The Gump said:
Gr8 question - I've always wondered what I'd do if a defender made a diving save with hand on the goalline but didn't DOG as the ball was already going wide. advantage played then no DOGSO therefore no RC but think it's YC for USB?
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If the ball was already going wide it can't be classed dogso (or a save) or even SPA.
 
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