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How's the sin bins going?

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#1
Just wondering how everyone is getting on with the sin bin rule and the impact it's having on their respective leagues?

I must say in my area, it's having a significant impact. I've only had to use it once so far this season but even the sheer mention of using it seems to cut it out across each match. Definitely having more of an impact then just the standard caution

So far so good for me!
 
#2
Just wondering how everyone is getting on with the sin bin rule and the impact it's having on their respective leagues?

I must say in my area, it's having a significant impact. I've only had to use it once so far this season but even the sheer mention of using it seems to cut it out across each match. Definitely having more of an impact then just the standard caution

So far so good for me!
It's not used in my county apart from one men's league and I've gotta say im glad it sounds ridiculous if someone does something card worthy I want to give them that yc not sit them out for 5 minutes.
 

GraemeS

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#4
I've had two opportunities to use it and haven't taken either! The first I was cautioning a player for a tackle and he reacted poorly - but I forgot the sin bin was an option and didn't think it was quite bad enough dissent for a 3-card trick so got the captain in to calm him down! If I'd had the sin bin in mind, I may well have booked him for the tackle and then sin-binned him for the reaction, but that genuinely didn't occur to me in the moment!

Other occurrence I went to sin bin a player-manager who'd bought himself on with 10 mins to go so that he could dissent my decisions from close-up rather than from the dugout. I was sick of that after about 2 minutes, so whistled and called him over - but as soon as he saw my hand go to my pocket, he erupted in a torrent of swearing, threats and abuse, so I just went for the straight red (plus further misconduct report). So so far, I haven't had much of a chance to use it!
 
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spuddy1878

Well-Known Member
#5
It’s good in theory but can get very confusing if someone re-offends, then if they commit more dissent it’s even more confusing.

I know there is a table of what to do after what offence but you want to knowvthis stuff off the top of your head not have to get a timetable out before dismissing.
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#6
It’s good in theory but can get very confusing if someone re-offends, then if they commit more dissent it’s even more confusing.

I know there is a table of what to do after what offence but you want to knowvthis stuff off the top of your head not have to get a timetable out before dismissing.
I actually found the table made it seem a lot more daunting than it should be.
For me, it's a simple case of 2 dissents, you can be subbed after 10, 2 dissents with another caution you can't be subbed.
 
#7
Only one experience of the sin bin this season. I was AR. Player gave dissent to ref and was rightly sent to the sin bin. Player returned 10 mins later. 5 mins after that the player kicked out (petty stuff) at another player after a tackle and was sent off. He didnt calm down or learn his lesson.

Also the league have had to sent out a reminder that dissent is not the same as USB (AA). Refs using this as an eccuse to get out of using it. Even if you dont think its right (like me) it still should be trialled properly!
 

Tino Best

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#9
We all have to buy into it next season because from what I have been told it is being rolled out nationally, so we get behind it or stop reffing. From refs I have spoken too and who have used it the feedback seems positive
 
#10
We all have to buy into it next season because from what I have been told it is being rolled out nationally, so we get behind it or stop reffing. From refs I have spoken too and who have used it the feedback seems positive
I'm sure I'll find it useful if I use it next season.
 
#11
3rd full season, following 2 season trial in cup competitions. Excellent tool for referees. Dissent is almost non-existent here now. Not needed to use it this season, and my colleagues have also rarely needed it too, the message from the last 2 seasons seems to have had the desired effect.
 

lincs22

Supply League Observer
Staff member
Observer/Tutor
#12
We all have to buy into it next season because from what I have been told it is being rolled out nationally, so we get behind it or stop reffing. From refs I have spoken too and who have used it the feedback seems positive
Yes, my understanding is that it will be for all step 7 and below. So, most grassroot football on Saturdays, all Sunday football and all junior football. The standard code of rules will be changed, so leagues cannot opt out of it - as league rules have to presented for the league affiliation with the CFA's.

A few league meetings next summer to explain.
 

GraemeS

RefChat Addict
#13
Only one experience of the sin bin this season. I was AR. Player gave dissent to ref and was rightly sent to the sin bin. Player returned 10 mins later. 5 mins after that the player kicked out (petty stuff) at another player after a tackle and was sent off. He didnt calm down or learn his lesson.

Also the league have had to sent out a reminder that dissent is not the same as USB (AA). Refs using this as an eccuse to get out of using it. Even if you dont think its right (like me) it still should be trialled properly!
I did actually run into an issue like this in another game, where a player disagreed with my decision in a very minor way but right in front of the opposition bench. They teased him for his view of the incident and he reacted angrily in their direction. I booked him for AA, but given that the incident kicked off because of a comment about a decision I made, the opposition got frustrated that I'd "bottled" the sin-bin decision and failed to give him the last 8 minutes of the match on the side lines.
 
#14
I did actually run into an issue like this in another game, where a player disagreed with my decision in a very minor way but right in front of the opposition bench. They teased him for his view of the incident and he reacted angrily in their direction. I booked him for AA, but given that the incident kicked off because of a comment about a decision I made, the opposition got frustrated that I'd "bottled" the sin-bin decision and failed to give him the last 8 minutes of the match on the side lines.
Tbh i would say that could be classed as AA as long as you didnt see the initial disagreement as dissent. I think the warning was more referees not using the sin bin as they dont like it and covering it up by putting dissent cautions through as AA...
 
#15
It’s now in use in basically all of the local leagues in Norfolk, up to the Eastern Counties. Some may have a differing view but I rather like the threat of 10 on the sideline than a £10 fine. I binned a player in my first ever game and the same team let in a winner in a cup tie as a result. Might not have happened if he’d kept his gob shut...
 

spuddy1878

Well-Known Member
#16
I think the rule was brought in to obviously nip dissent in the bud early in the game, a cooling off period if you like.

Interesting one about the dissent with eight minutes to go in a game, you're basically sending the player off in this situation.

Should it be looked at differently from a sin binning offence on 15 minutes the same as one on 82 minutes ?
 
#17
3rd full season, following 2 season trial in cup competitions. Excellent tool for referees. Dissent is almost non-existent here now. Not needed to use it this season, and my colleagues have also rarely needed it too, the message from the last 2 seasons seems to have had the desired effect.
What level monsieur?
 
#18
I think the rule was brought in to obviously nip dissent in the bud early in the game, a cooling off period if you like.

Interesting one about the dissent with eight minutes to go in a game, you're basically sending the player off in this situation.

Should it be looked at differently from a sin binning offence on 15 minutes the same as one on 82 minutes ?
Why should the time left in a game matter? If a player is stupid enough to get himself sin binned with less than 10 minutes left that his fault.
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
#19
I think the rule was brought in to obviously nip dissent in the bud early in the game, a cooling off period if you like.

Interesting one about the dissent with eight minutes to go in a game, you're basically sending the player off in this situation.

Should it be looked at differently from a sin binning offence on 15 minutes the same as one on 82 minutes ?
No it shouldn't. The time left in the game isn't our problem
 
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