Fouled Off The Pitch

[Referee220378]

Advice much appreciated please.

Local men’s league game played at a county league ground, dug outs quite a distance back from the touch line, left winger in possession of the ball and running at the opposing right back in his own half, plays the ball up the line and attempts to run round the defending right back, the said player ushers him wide, so wide in that he’s probably a good 2 meters off the pitch to run around him (in front of the dug outs)

Whilst running past the away dug out, the phyiso sticks his leg out and trips the winger. Subsequently the centre half is able to come across and easily clear the ball whilst the winger in question is down injured.

So my question is this:

- Do I stop play in that the incident has happened off the pitch and the ball is still in play?
- I’m presuming I can’t dismiss the physio so do I caution him or is there another sanction I’m able to use?
- If I did blow my whistle and stop play, where and what is the correct re start?

I’m not overly confident that I dealt with this correctly in law.

I stopped play, cautioned the physio and re started play with a drop ball to the defending team (as they were in possession when I blew my whistle). It’s really bugging me as I feel that some sort of advantage should have gone to the attacking team due to the nature of the incident and the fact it was the physio I didn’t feel I could give an attacking free kick.

 

[Tingting]

Advice much appreciated please.

Local men’s league game played at a county league ground, dug outs quite a distance back from the touch line, left winger in possession of the ball and running at the opposing right back in his own half, plays the ball up the line and attempts to run round the defending right back, the said player ushers him wide, so wide in that he’s probably a good 2 meters off the pitch to run around him (in front of the dug outs)

Whilst running past the away dug out, the phyiso sticks his leg out and trips the winger. Subsequently the centre half is able to come across and easily clear the ball whilst the winger in question is down injured.

So my question is this:

- Do I stop play in that the incident has happened off the pitch and the ball is still in play?
- I’m presuming I can’t dismiss the physio so do I caution him or is there another sanction I’m able to use?
- If I did blow my whistle and stop play, where and what is the correct re start?

I’m not overly confident that I dealt with this correctly in law.

I stopped play, cautioned the physio and re started play with a drop ball to the defending team. It’s really bugging me as I feel that some sort of advantage should have gone to the attacking team due to the nature of the incident and the fact it was the physio I didn’t feel I could give an attacking free kick.

Your actions were correct, caution physio, and drop ball. Answering your questions:

1. You do stop play. The winger is injured, affecting the number of players on field of play. A caution needs to be made, so that also stops play. Unless the winger's team has a prommising attack, you should stop play for drop ball. If you do play advantage for the winger's team, caution the physio at the next stoppage.

2. It depends on what level. High level, they have replacements. Lower there is one physio. I would caution the physio and have a word with him regarding his behavior. Send him off if done repeatedly in higher level. But lower have a serious talk with him of his behavior.

3. Restart with drop ball for the winger's team. Play advantage if his team creates a promising attack, and caution the physio at the next stoppage.

My question is, did the winger's team gain an advantage? Cause if his team did, you should've played advantage.

 

[DJIC]

Advice much appreciated please.

Local men’s league game played at a county league ground, dug outs quite a distance back from the touch line, left winger in possession of the ball and running at the opposing right back in his own half, plays the ball up the line and attempts to run round the defending right back, the said player ushers him wide, so wide in that he’s probably a good 2 meters off the pitch to run around him (in front of the dug outs)

Whilst running past the away dug out, the phyiso sticks his leg out and trips the winger. Subsequently the centre half is able to come across and easily clear the ball whilst the winger in question is down injured.

So my question is this:

- Do I stop play in that the incident has happened off the pitch and the ball is still in play?
- I’m presuming I can’t dismiss the physio so do I caution him or is there another sanction I’m able to use?
- If I did blow my whistle and stop play, where and what is the correct re start?

I’m not overly confident that I dealt with this correctly in law.

I stopped play, cautioned the physio and re started play with a drop ball to the defending team. It’s really bugging me as I feel that some sort of advantage should have gone to the attacking team due to the nature of the incident and the fact it was the physio I didn’t feel I could give an attacking free kick.

IMHO I’m issuing a red card to the physio, drop ball to attacking team as by your wording they were in possession.

LOTG wording doesn’t help for this scenario, but the second option below works.

Although a red card won’t allow him to leave the technical area it will hopefully mean he wont be there for the next match.

entering the field of play to:
• confront a match official (including at half-time and full-time)
• interfere with play, an opposing player or a match official

• deliberately leaving the technical area to:
• show dissent towards, or remonstrate with, a match official
• act in a provocative or inflammatory manner

 

[JamesL]

Your actions were correct, caution physio, and drop ball. Answering your questions:

1. You do stop play. The winger is injured, affecting the number of players on field of play. A caution needs to be made, so that also stops play. Unless the winger's team has a prommising attack, you should stop play for drop ball. If you do play advantage for the winger's team, caution the physio at the next stoppage.

2. It depends on what level. High level, they have replacements. Lower there is one physio. I would caution the physio and have a word with him regarding his behavior. Send him off if done repeatedly in higher level. But lower have a serious talk with him of his behavior.

3. Restart with drop ball for the winger's team. Play advantage if his team creates a promising attack, and caution the physio at the next stoppage.

My question is, did the winger's team gain an advantage? Cause if his team did, you should've played advantage.

None of this is correct in law.

Ball in play - physical offence by team official - stop play DFK (unless advantage - most likely want certain goal here not to stop play)

Restart from location of offence, where this is outside field of play from the boundary closest to where the offence occurs.

The physio has committed a red card offence. This is the tricky part. Can't send off medical personnel, certainly not if there is noone else to replace them.

We need to very clear they are being reported for a send off offence. They are only to remain as they are medical personnel. I'd even consider removal from technical area but stay in a neutral location in case called upon.

Finally if they commit any further offences they run the risk of the game being abandoned.

 

[CaptainsPlease]

The sending off offence applicable to team officials is 'physical or aggressive behaviour' (towards any person).

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Your actions were correct, caution physio, and drop ball. Answering your questions:

1. You do stop play. The winger is injured, affecting the number of players on field of play. A caution needs to be made, so that also stops play. Unless the winger's team has a prommising attack, you should stop play for drop ball. If you do play advantage for the winger's team, caution the physio at the next stoppage.

2. It depends on what level. High level, they have replacements. Lower there is one physio. I would caution the physio and have a word with him regarding his behavior. Send him off if done repeatedly in higher level. But lower have a serious talk with him of his behavior.

3. Restart with drop ball for the winger's team. Play advantage if his team creates a promising attack, and caution the physio at the next stoppage.

My question is, did the winger's team gain an advantage? Cause if his team did, you should've played advantage.

To help with your learning (as mentioned by you in another post) you may care to adopt the approach of reading the opening post fully, then checking the Laws of the Game before posting a reply.
Doing this would have told you there was no advantage, and the correct answer in law.

 

[Tingting]

To help with your learning (as mentioned by you in another post) you may care to adopt the approach of reading the opening post fully, then checking the Laws of the Game before posting a reply.
Doing this would have told you there was no advantage, and the correct answer in law.

Thx bro.

 

[Referee220378]

None of this is correct in law.

Ball in play - physical offence by team official - stop play DFK (unless advantage - most likely want certain goal here not to stop play)

Restart from location of offence, where this is outside field of play from the boundary closest to where the offence occurs.

The physio has committed a red card offence. This is the tricky part. Can't send off medical personnel, certainly not if there is noone else to replace them.

We need to very clear they are being reported for a send off offence. They are only to remain as they are medical personnel. I'd even consider removal from technical area but stay in a neutral location in case called upon.

Finally if they commit any further offences they run the risk of the game being abandoned.

Thank you.

 

[one]

Isn't the first mantra for medical personnel "do no harm"? As a punishment l'd make him/her treat the player he caused the injury to.

You would have been correct 10 years ago to dropp ball and caution*. A posts here probably not upto date with the new laws. But @JamesL covered all bases on the current laws.

I always loved finding the answer to these odd and rare scenarios in the laws, l'm sure some others here do as well and l'd reccomand it for everyone. They are hard to find which make you read other parts of the law and keep you up to date on more than just this scenario.

*Edit: Team officials didn't get cards and caution came in the form of warning and were 'dismissed' after the second caution/warning as common practice.

 

[socal lurker]

Agree with the relatively recent law changes that changed the answer, but I think even before the change a team official deliberately tricking an active player would have been a dismissal for irresponsible behavior But all I can say is “believe,” as the criteria were not specific.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Agree with the relatively recent law changes that changed the answer, but I think even before the change a team official deliberately tricking an active player would have been a dismissal for irresponsible behavior But all I can say is “believe,” as the criteria were not specific.

Twenty years ago, when life was simpler, Law 5 included:
• takes action against team officials who fail to conduct themselves
in a responsible manner and may, at his discretion, expel them
from the field of play and its immediate surrounds

 

[Tingting]

Twenty years ago, when life was simpler, Law 5 included:
• takes action against team officials who fail to conduct themselves
in a responsible manner and may, at his discretion, expel them
from the field of play and its immediate surrounds

Now, if the physio is red carded, then you need to terminate the game.

 

[JamesL]

Now, if the physio is red carded, then you need to terminate the game.

Where have you read that?

 

[Tingting]

Where have you read that?

So, in my assosiation, there is a procedure where, if there is a physio (the only physio in the area) that is sent off, the game must be terminated considering the case of an injury if one gets injured in the match. It's mainly regarding the safety of the players but also penalizing the physio for misconduct.

 

[RustyRef]

So, in my assosiation, there is a procedure where, if there is a physio (the only physio in the area) that is sent off, the game must be terminated considering the case of an injury if one gets injured in the match. It's mainly regarding the safety of the players but also penalizing the physio for misconduct.

Please try to remember that what is done in your particular association isn't necessarily the case in others. Otherwise people might read your advice and take it onboard, which could lead to them making a complete mess of things where they referee.

 

[Peter Grove]

So, in my assosiation, there is a procedure where, if there is a physio (the only physio in the area) that is sent off, the game must be terminated considering the case of an injury if one gets injured in the match. It's mainly regarding the safety of the players but also penalizing the physio for misconduct.

With the greatest of respect, I think you need to be a tad more careful in issuing definitive proclamations on matters of law, in case they are either mistaken or (as here) not universally applicable.

In addition, perhaps you might want to think about couching the things you state in somewhat more guarded language (and check what you're saying against the actual laws first, as well).

 

[puddles15]

None of this is correct in law.

Ball in play - physical offence by team official - stop play DFK (unless advantage - most likely want certain goal here not to stop play)

Restart from location of offence, where this is outside field of play from the boundary closest to where the offence occurs.

The physio has committed a red card offence. This is the tricky part. Can't send off medical personnel, certainly not if there is noone else to replace them.

We need to very clear they are being reported for a send off offence. They are only to remain as they are medical personnel. I'd even consider removal from technical area but stay in a neutral location in case called upon.

Finally if they commit any further offences they run the risk of the game being abandoned.

Understood that physios can’t be sent off. When imaging this scenario, I see chaos from both benches and half the players going nuts about the trip/interference in play. Then think it would be a hard sell to ‘just’ give a FK and warning to the physio, albeit correct in law…

Suppose you can’t dismiss the manager as you know who the perpetrator is from the bench?

 

[JamesL]

Understood that physios can’t be sent off. When imaging this scenario, I see chaos from both benches and half the players going nuts about the trip/interference in play. Then think it would be a hard sell to ‘just’ give a FK and warning to the physio, albeit correct in law…

Suppose you can’t dismiss the manager as you know who the perpetrator is from the bench?

You aren't warning the them. They are being sent off or reported for a send off offence. This is very different.

 

[ChasObserverRefDeveloper]

Understood that physios can’t be sent off. When imaging this scenario, I see chaos from both benches and half the players going nuts about the trip/interference in play. Then think it would be a hard sell to ‘just’ give a FK and warning to the physio, albeit correct in law…

Suppose you can’t dismiss the manager as you know who the perpetrator is from the bench?

As @JamesL has said, the physio is red carded and therefore is sent off, but cannot be required to leave unless there is another qualified physio to take over.
The referee informs the physio that they have been sent off and may only stay because they are the qualified physio, and subject to now behaving for the rest of the game. Any further misconduct by them results in abandonment and an Extraordinary Report.
The above applies in the UK. Alternatives will be found in Texas mini soccer and others.

 

[Samuel]

Question with regarding sending off the physio, what should you do as the referee if the Physio walks off after issuing the red card? Would both teams have to agree to use the same physio or would you abandon the game as there isn't a qualified physio in the dugout?