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First aider dissent

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
So during today’s game I was receiving frequent acts of dissent from one teams first aider. I had warned him and the manager about his action but I knew in the back in my mind that I couldn’t get to a stage of sending him off and I think he was aware of that as well. How would you deal with this? it did occur to me that maybe the cards could have been directed towards the manager, but as per the LOTG that only really applies if I can’t identify the culprit.
 
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JamesL

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Level 4 Referee
All you can do is advise that you will submit a separate misconduct report for every instance and do so.
I mean worst case scenario, if it got beyond a certain level you'd just have to go home early and report that too.
 

QuaverRef

I used to be indecisive but now i'm not so sure
All you can do is advise that you will submit a separate misconduct report for every instance and do so.
I mean worst case scenario, if it got beyond a certain level you'd just have to go home early and report that too.
Misconduct is what I ended up doing for today. It’s a bit of a frustrating loophole for the technical area really.
 

Anubis

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Misconduct is what I ended up doing for today. It’s a bit of a frustrating loophole for the technical area really.

if he is outrageous, can you plant a seed that you might seek to use the other teams first aider if needed?
 

JamesL

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Level 4 Referee
My understanding is that a clubs physio / first aider is not exempt from being cautioned or given a red card. The only issue is that they cannot be dismissed from the field of play if there is nobody else who can administer treatment.
Correct. So what do you do if you give him a red card and he doesnt stop?
 

Mr Dean

Well-Known Member
Correct. So what do you do if you give him a red card and he doesnt stop?
I would say that is grounds for abandoning the game. After showing the red card, I would warn of the possibility of abandoning the match.
 

PP62

Well-Known Member
Level 5 Referee
At supply league and above its as @JamesL and @Mr Dean have said. At grass roots it's extremely likely that the "first aider" doesn't know the difference between a can of Deep Heat and a can of WD40 so I would be very tempted to just get rid of them.
 

ChasObserverRefDeveloper

Regular Contributor
Having issued a red card to a physio, any further misconduct can be reported additionally (misconduct after dismissal)
In some youth leagues especially, there is a rule that each club must have a qualified First Aider present.
The idea of abandonment is a difficult one, perhaps depending on the score at the time (the abandonment threat is stronger if the club at fault is winning)
No easy answer, needs judgement by the referee as to what will work best.
 

Anubis

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At supply league and above its as @JamesL and @Mr Dean have said. At grass roots it's extremely likely that the "first aider" doesn't know the difference between a can of Deep Heat and a can of WD40 so I would be very tempted to just get rid of them.

take care with kids, where I am someone MUST be registered as the first aider, child protection and all that.
he/she goes, so does your game


as ever regional variations apply
 

Gamespoiler

Active Member
Level 7 Referee
It's worth familiarising yourself with the leagues rules, especially regarding touchline behaviour which includes manager, coaches, first aiders etc. Most I've officiated in make the team manager responsible for their behaviour and fines can be issued if the rules are broken. Knowing the rules and pointing this out to the team manager may make it stop.
 

OIREF!

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It's worth familiarising yourself with the leagues rules, especially regarding touchline behaviour which includes manager, coaches, first aiders etc. Most I've officiated in make the team manager responsible for their behaviour and fines can be issued if the rules are broken. Knowing the rules and pointing this out to the team manager may make it stop.
That's a good point. With regard to technical area sanctions I have come across variations between different areas, league and age groups. All well intended but clearly scope for confusion.
 

lincs22

Supply League Observer
Staff member
Observer/Tutor
Correct. So what do you do if you give him a red card and he doesnt stop?
The correct approach is to RC him and advise him that he can only stay to treat players. Any further comments may be reported as separate misconduct reports - so one for each extra.

Let the CFA deal with the proper procedure afterwards, but if get a RC report and 3 misconduct reports for the same person at the same game, it is going to be expensive......And they won't be going to football for some time, so the club will need to find another First aider.
 

one

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Level 7 Referee
I would have thought I'd find something in the good book on this but nothing.

I'm with @lincs22 . However if it becomes too persistent and severe I'd think about abandoning. But I'd give the manager a chance to shut him up before I do.
 
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