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The Ginger Ref

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Level 7 Referee
With Bonfire Night in full swing, I figured I’d add a bit more fuel to the fire of what turned out to be a pretty frustrating Sunday for many of us. After sleeping on it for a couple of days, I felt it was time to unload my thoughts rather than just venting a stream of frustration.

I’d planned to take a week off, but a last-minute text changed that. It was a local fixture, so I agreed..

The first 30 minutes were relatively uneventful, but things soon took a turn when a Blue attacker got the other side of the Red defence and was clumsily brought down. The challenge was careless — the player ran across the defender and fell into him. I immediately ruled out DOGSO criteria, and decided on a yellow for a SPA. The Blue team were pretty miffed (think too many of them still have Saliba's red card fresh in their mind).

That moment seemed to be the tipping point. Shortly after, I had to send a Blue player (just subbed on) to the sin bin after being told, "I should learn the rules" *Shudder* — all because the player lost out in a firm but fair challenge.

At halftime, I took the opportunity to explain my decision to the Blue coach and captain. After a brief discussion, they seemed to accept my explanation.

The second half was more heated. A Blue player was cautioned for AA for throwing the ball at a Red player. However, the real boiling point came shortly after when a Blue defender made a reckless challenge on a Red player near the touchline, right in front of the Blue coaching staff. I called the Blue player over, explained the challenge was reckless and also SPA, and showed him the yellow. That’s when the outburst came. The Blue coaches were livid, shouting, “How can that be the same as the one in the first half?!” The tirade continued, and I had to firmly ask them to quiet down, suggesting we discuss the decision after the game. The coach was trying to demand an explanation then and there, but I said something along the lines of "I’d rather finish the game."

Looking back, I don’t think the coach crossed the line or was out of order — in his mind, he was simply passionately disputing a decision (possibly could've booked him for dissent but possibly would've inflamed the situation). However, my concern is that this kind of behaviour, particularly in U18s football, sends the wrong message to young, impressionable players who might come to think this sort of sideline behaviour is acceptable. I would be slightly more tolerant of this behaviour in the dog and duck league, but it feels like these “wannabe Mourinho” moments are becoming all too common in football, especially with the rise of amatuer football on social media and YouTube.

For what it's worth, the coach didn’t come back for that promised explanation at full time. He shook my hand, thanked me, and walked off. Honestly, I was disappointed. I had planned to discuss his conduct and remind him that, as a coach, he’s a role model for these young adults. But perhaps that would’ve been wasted breath.

Overall, I wasn’t particularly surprised by the attitude and behaviour of these 17/18-year-olds. While it was disappointing and, at times, borderline unacceptable, I do remember being that age — though I like to think I was never quite that unruly! But I was surprised by the number of petulant fouls — shirt-pulling, tugging, little things like that (no attempt to play the ball). I warned a player twice for subtle shirt pulls that would've been hard to sell as yellow cards but still needed addressing. But something that I did really struggle with as the game went on, was the sense that some of the players were mocking me — laughing at decisions or making little jokes to each other. I don’t think I had a bad game, and I feel that most of my decisions were justified. If anything, I may have been a bit over officious with nigggly fouls and throw-in locations.

I’m also starting to think that I’m becoming a "card-happy" referee — 10 yellow cards in 3 games and maybe I need to work on talking a player away from a booking. But in my view, each card has been fully warranted. I also wondered if the players and coaches took issue with the fact that their poor behaviour was being punished. I did consider whether they had a bit of "last week's referee didn’t issue any cards" mentality, but that’s unlikely, given the league struggles to appoint referees — some teams haven’t had a referee in years.

After the match, a number of parents from the losing team gave positive feedback. I appreciated that, but given the events of the game, I couldn’t help but wonder if it was meant sarcastically. But maybe I’m just overthinking it and just chalk it all up to experience.
 
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some teams haven’t had a referee in years.
Honestly I think most of the behaviour can be attributed to this exact sentence. If they haven't had a referee consistently then there hasn't been anyone to properly manage them in the games and by the sounds of the coaches behaviour I wouldn't expect him to be much better at it either.

As for the card happy thing, it will most likely even out over the season as I'm sure we've all had a string of games with no cards and then one with 4/5. just give it as you see it and if you think you were too harsh at the end of the season then that's up to you if you want to change it.
 
After sleeping on it for a couple of days, I felt it was time to unload my thoughts rather than just venting a stream of frustration.
Good idea. Always good to get it out.
That moment seemed to be the tipping point. Shortly after, I had to send a substitute to the sin bin after being told, "I should learn the rules" *Shudder* — all because the player lost out in a firm but fair challenge.
Great identification of and dealing with dissent, although, you can't send a substitute to the sin bin. Unfortunately, it does mean they can come straight on after the dissent caution, but temporary dismissals only apply to players (that is those that are currently on the FOP). The good news is with the recent change he has no lives left.
At halftime, I took the opportunity to explain my decision to the Blue coach and captain. After a brief discussion, they seemed to accept my explanation.

The second half was more heated. A Blue player was cautioned for AA for throwing the ball at a Red player. However, the real boiling point came shortly after when a Blue defender made a reckless challenge on a Red player near the touchline, right in front of the Blue coaching staff. I called the Blue player over, explained the challenge was reckless and also SPA, and showed him the yellow. That’s when the outburst came. The Blue coaches were livid, shouting, “How can that be the same as the one in the first half?!” The tirade continued, and I had to firmly ask them to quiet down, suggesting we discuss the decision after the game. The coach was trying to demand an explanation then and there, but I said something along the lines of "I’d rather finish the game."

Looking back, I don’t think the coach crossed the line or was out of order — in his mind, he was simply passionately disputing a decision (possibly could've booked him for dissent but possibly would've inflamed the situation). However, my concern is that this kind of behaviour, particularly in U18s football, sends the wrong message to young, impressionable players who might come to think this sort of sideline behaviour is acceptable. I would be slightly more tolerant of this behaviour in the dog and duck league, but it feels like these “wannabe Mourinho” moments are becoming all too common in football, especially with the rise of amatuer football on social media and YouTube.

For what it's worth, the coach didn’t come back for that promised explanation at full time. He shook my hand, thanked me, and walked off. Honestly, I was disappointed. I had planned to discuss his conduct and remind him that, as a coach, he’s a role model for these young adults. But perhaps that would’ve been wasted breath.

Overall, I wasn’t particularly surprised by the attitude and behaviour of these 17/18-year-olds. While it was disappointing and, at times, borderline unacceptable, I do remember being that age — though I like to think I was never quite that unruly! But I was surprised by the number of petulant fouls — shirt-pulling, tugging, little things like that (no attempt to play the ball). I warned a player twice for subtle shirt pulls that would've been hard to sell as yellow cards but still needed addressing. But something that I did really struggle with as the game went on, was the sense that some of the players were mocking me — laughing at decisions or making little jokes to each other. I don’t think I had a bad game, and I feel that most of my decisions were justified. If anything, I may have been a bit over officious with nigggly fouls and throw-in locations.

I’m also starting to think that I’m becoming a "card-happy" referee — 10 yellow cards in 3 games and maybe I need to work on talking a player away from a booking. But in my view, each card has been fully warranted. I also wondered if the players and coaches took issue with the fact that their poor behaviour was being punished. I did consider whether they had a bit of "last week's referee didn’t issue any cards" mentality, but that’s unlikely, given the league struggles to appoint referees — some teams haven’t had a referee in years.

After the match, a number of parents from the losing team gave positive feedback. I appreciated that, but given the events of the game, I couldn’t help but wonder if it was meant sarcastically. But maybe I’m just overthinking it and just chalk it all up to experience.
Great Summary of your game. Did you change anything to respond to the rising temperature of the game?

Cards come and go. I had 17 yellows in first 2 games this season. I've still not reached that tally in the proceeding 7 games. Ultimately you have to show cards when they are needed else you'll be writing more, and greater length, of these summaries.

As always keep on with the self reflection, it really will make you a better referee.
 
Thanks James (as always!)

Just on this bit...

although, you can't send a substitute to the sin bin.
This was just a really poorly constructed sentence, he had just been subbed on (so was dismissed when on the field).

Did you change anything to respond to the rising temperature of the game?
I certainly slowed the game down (giving more niggly fouls and slowing down the game at throw ins). I don't think it helped that it was one of those games where the players knew each other (similar school / college).
 
Thanks James (as always!)

Just on this bit...


This was just a really poorly constructed sentence, he had just been subbed on (so was dismissed when on the field).


I certainly slowed the game down (giving more niggly fouls and slowing down the game at throw ins). I don't think it helped that it was one of those games where the players knew each other (similar school / college).
Great stuff!

It's not always about slowing the game down as that can sometimes have the opposite affect.

Breaks in play are an opportunity for players to engage with us, balls in play, generally they aren't speaking to you. So as opposed to slowing the game down, can you consider just raising your profile, increasing your presence, covering an extra yard to be slightly closer, even more verbal than normal?

Not every glove fits all but I used to think my only weapon was to give more free kicks to take the sting out but sometimes all we need to do is let folks know we are there more than usual.

Not saying this is what you had to do but maybe something to consider taking forwards.
 
Honestly I think most of the behaviour can be attributed to this exact sentence. If they haven't had a referee consistently then there hasn't been anyone to properly manage them in the games and by the sounds of the coaches behaviour I wouldn't expect him to be much better at it either.
This is a really interesting point, one I hadn’t fully considered before, but it certainly resonates. Without generalising or tarring every team, player, and coach with the same brush, it's becoming increasingly clear why referees are leaving in droves and why many games are going ahead without appointed officials, and the problem isn't the referees... I would estimate that over 95% of the games in my local youth league aren't officiated.

I recall when I first took the referee course, and the facilitators painted a picture of referees being welcomed like the prodigal son. Something along the lines of, "Managers will be so pleased to see a referee show up." Fortunately, after enough time in the game, I’m well aware that this is far from the reality.

There have been occasions where a manager genuinely appreciated my presence, shook my hand at the end, and said, "Good game," but these are the exceptions, not the rule. Ironically, the games i’ve volunteered for (rather than being appointed) tend to carry more aggro, and coaches often seem less appreciative. It's honestly baffling, given that I’ve volunteered my time to cover the game.

After my last few experiences, I’ve been seriously reconsidering whether I’ll continue volunteering for games. Moving forward, I think I’ll stick to appointments — frustratingly my availability is so sporadic that I close off dates to avoid the hassle with refereeing secretaries and then look for games at short notice.

But at the end of the day, nothing will change the underlying issue of respect in football.
 
Great to reflect on how you can deal with this type of match better in the future.

Could you or did you call both captains in to set some ground rules & ask them to advise their players anymore of x conduct you will be issuing sin bins. Make sure you give them time to communicate your message before restarting play.

Then you have set them up for sin bins & can remind the captain you did try & help avoid them going down to ten men.

Having said that, sometimes there are matches that whatever you do or any other referee could do they are just an unenjoyable mess usually caused by the behavior & attitude of the coach/manager who sets the example. Then you just move on.

Good luck with your next match.
 
Don't forget, as an U18 coach, there is a safeguarding element to their role. If you feel the coach is crossing the line in terms of what should be acceptable in front of minors (as much as the players will think they are adults, they aren't in the definition of such), and so you _can_ report them to the CFA.
 
Could you or did you call both captains in to set some ground rules & ask them to advise their players anymore of x conduct you will be issuing sin bins. Make sure you give them time to communicate your message before restarting play.
While I appreciate the suggestion and it’s certainly a good one, I feel that with 18-year-olds — particularly the ones I was officiating — it would have been a largely futile exercise. It would have gone in one ear and out the other.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe the 18-year-olds I was dealing with had the maturity or the capability to manage their fellow players. It’s disappointing, as we should be able to treat them as young adults, but in some cases, that level of responsibility just isn’t there yet.
 
While I appreciate the suggestion and it’s certainly a good one, I feel that with 18-year-olds — particularly the ones I was officiating — it would have been a largely futile exercise. It would have gone in one ear and out the other.

Unfortunately, I don’t believe the 18-year-olds I was dealing with had the maturity or the capability to manage their fellow players. It’s disappointing, as we should be able to treat them as young adults, but in some cases, that level of responsibility just isn’t there yet.
That's all true, but what it does is mean that any further action comes as no surprise to anyone and you can almost hold your hands up and say you had no choice. Just another tool in the arsenal.
 
I've been credited with raising my profile at least half a dozen times, which is great, except I was trying to lower my profile!
 
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I have lost count of the games I have done since I started in August I think it is about 16. Advice has always been invaluable - both on here and from other referees. I still think about decisions in my first few games and how I would see them now. I have only just got the confidence to show YCs when they def should have been shown in those games. But those games have gone and I am well aware I shouldn't be trying to balance that with future decisions. Every game has been different, and I have heard abuse given by a coach to even their own players that I would question why the players wanted to play for him. That is none of my business I suppose. I've noticed most of the best coaches with the right attitude to the game, players and officials seem to have teams near the top of the table that isn't a coincidence. The fact that people question your decisions make you in-turn question your decisions. That is a psyche that I myself am struggling to get away from. It's not just confidence you need in your decision making it is also a belief you are correct - and they both work together. Sleeping on it has always helped especially when I have got to the stage of wanting to chuck it. I am still here though, so I have obviously built up resistance, resilience and confidence. I think they are key to being halfway a decent referee. Wishing you well.
 
Honestly I think most of the behaviour can be attributed to this exact sentence. If they haven't had a referee consistently then there hasn't been anyone to properly manage them in the games and by the sounds of the coaches behaviour I wouldn't expect him to be much better at it either.

As for the card happy thing, it will most likely even out over the season as I'm sure we've all had a string of games with no cards and then one with 4/5. just give it as you see it and if you think you were too harsh at the end of the season then that's up to you if you want to change it.
Exactly this. When I played youth, we never had neutral appointed refs, and I recall no more than 5 yellows throughout U7s to U17s. Since refereeing, I’ve thought how many things would’ve been yellows or reds, but just never got given.

Also had the same feeling when I occasionally referee youth Sunday football. I had an U13s or 14s (can’t quite remember which) quarter final that went to ET where I ended up with 4 yellows. They were all fully justified. At full time, I had one parent come up to me to say he thought I shouldn’t have booked his son. Another come up to me to genuinely congratulate me for booking his son as he had deserved it, and ‘it was good to see it being applied properly’. Then a league representative came up to me to say the same thing. If they had an appointed referee every week, I probably wouldn’t have received any of those comments!
 
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