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Everton v Brentford

Runner Ref said:
If you have referees making onfield decisions and in the VAR booth, then have ex-pros/managers on the appeals panel, there will always different views on these decisions.

Outside of England, this is a red card every day of the week. If the same challenge happened in the CL tonight, red card. But England still has an element of the old school mentality that we allow a more physical game. Which in reality, that is long gone.

I imagine there would have been plenty of outcry had the initial decision not been given as red

My main gripe is that the appeals panel are kept anonymous. No reason for this to be done.
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As to your last para, I think keeping it anonymous is fine otherwise it can just get personal. Also, there is a PGMOL rep in the group. I also think it’s a red not just outside England, but in England, but outside of the PL.
 
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DavidObs said:
As to your last para, I think keeping it anonymous is fine otherwise it can just get personal. Also, there is a PGMOL rep in the group. I also think it’s a red not just outside England, but in England, but outside of the PL.
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What gets personal?

One big issue that The FA and PGMOL have had is transparency. To a point Howard Webb is trying to fix that. But keeping these people who aren’t necessarily qualified to referee a football match anonymous, when they are in essence saying referees have got a major decision wrong, just seems odd.

What is there to hide? What accountability is there?
 
Runner Ref said:
What gets personal?

One big issue that The FA and PGMOL have had is transparency. To a point Howard Webb is trying to fix that. But keeping these people who aren’t necessarily qualified to referee a football match anonymous, when they are in essence saying referees have got a major decision wrong, just seems odd.

What is there to hide? What accountability is there?
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There is nothing to hide. Let’s say Alan Shearer is on the panel and he considers incorrect sending off and that Roy Keane is also on the panel and he considers correct sending off. Are people not going to say, it was only shearer or only Kane. Whereas if say, the panel is represented by coaches, ex players and PGMOL rep it takes this argument mostly out of the equation perhaps. However, I do accept your point as to why to highlight who they are.
 
DavidObs said:
There is nothing to hide. Let’s say Alan Shearer is on the panel and he considers incorrect sending off and that Roy Keane is also on the panel and he considers correct sending off. Are people not going to say, it was only shearer or only Kane. Whereas if say, the panel is represented by coaches, ex players and PGMOL rep it takes this argument mostly out of the equation perhaps. However, I do accept your point as to why to highlight who they are.
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It doesn’t matter who they are, but there’s no need to hide their identity. It’s all about accountability for me.
 
Runner Ref said:
If you have referees making onfield decisions and in the VAR booth, then have ex-pros/managers on the appeals panel, there will always different views on these decisions.

Outside of England, this is a red card every day of the week. If the same challenge happened in the CL tonight, red card. But England still has an element of the old school mentality that we allow a more physical game. Which in reality, that is long gone.

I imagine there would have been plenty of outcry had the initial decision not been given as red

My main gripe is that the appeals panel are kept anonymous. No reason for this to be done.
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It must be demoralising & confusing as a PGMOL match official. In no other profession is your work so scrutinised & anonymous/unqualified individuals determine that your work was then incorrect. Particlarly when its a subjective decision.

I wonder if HW privately tells his referees he is fine with the decision & any appeals panel decision won't reflect badly on them?
 
Seems likely that this will be covered on the next Mic'd Up and we'll get to hear Webb's take on this sort of appeal outcome.
 
I said it would get overturned, you could tell because pretty much every ex-pro said it was wrong on the basis he was going for the ball and not trying to hurt him. Whereas most journalists with no skin in the game seemed to think the red was correct.

The FA and PGMOL should get some power back and not allow appeals,, just as almost every other country doesn't. You wouldn't allow ex-convicts to sit on court of appeal cases as judges, and that is effectively the same as having ex-players and managers on real card appeal commissions.
 
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