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See post#4My bad if it’s already been mentioned but does anyone know was age group the ban goes up to.
See post#4My bad if it’s already been mentioned but does anyone know was age group the ban goes up to.
That shows how long it is since I did mini soccer! But I'm still not coaching.There are separate rules re throws in mini soccer, with one or two retakes allowed dependent on age.
My local youth league appoints refs to youth games to u11 and above, but with the no heading rule may avoid taking u11 games (I already tend to leave them as hate standard of football and feel like you learn nothing from them nor challenge yourself)See post#4
U11 won't have a ban on deliberate heading until the 2026-27 season. So you have 2 seasons to enjoy it! (unless your league voluntarily implements it sooner which is allowed according to the FA)My local youth league appoints refs to youth games to u11 and above, but with the no heading rule may avoid taking u11 games (I already tend to leave them as hate standard of football and feel like you learn nothing from them nor challenge yourself)
I guess that is a matter of league guidance as well as opinion. I think development is important at that age, and my league encourages their officials to aid this process. Some leagues won't though.I wouldn't agree. We're there to officiate a football match. It's the managers/coaches jobs to teach them. If they aren't showing them this stuff in training, that's their problem. That's not to say pull up every u10 match for a slight foul throw, but we aren't necessarily there to coach people.
It's a very noble thing to show them. But all it takes is 1 manager who doesn't want you doing it and you look rather silly.
The league cannot guide you on laws of the game. This is similar yo leagues a few years back trying to ask referees to award free kicks of some didn't 'put a name on it'I guess that is a matter of league guidance as well as opinion. I think development is important at that age, and my league encourages their officials to aid this process. Some leagues won't though.
They aren't telling us what we can & can't do related to the LOTG. They just make it clear mini-soccer is development football and then leave us to it. I interpret this as an encouragement by choice. I'd do it anyway.The league cannot guide you on laws of the game. This is similar yo leagues a few years back trying to ask referees to award free kicks of some didn't 'put a name on it'
Nope, this is being a busy body. Allow the 2nd throw by all means, but it is not your job to coach. How would you feel if the coach started to referee?They aren't telling us what we can & can't do related to the LOTG. They just make it clear mini-soccer is development football and then leave us to it. I interpret this as an encouragement by choice. I'd do it anyway.
The following is taken from an officials guidance document published by the FA and Hampshire FA (not my CFA) in November 2020:
Furthermore, referees should also recognise their role is to facilitate the learning of the players, forexample, allow young children to take a second attempt at a throw-in if the first attempt is not with theLaws of the Game.
This could easily be interpreted to mean show them how to do it also, as common sense is to do so before the retake. The first bit supports my argument for aiding development, as the FA themselves have said a0we should do this.
Annoyed. But that's completely different. I would also point out that after 1 mini soccer game earlier this season, where I made a point of explaining how to take the throws, both sets of coaches thanked me and said most don't do that but should (their words exactly) and the league's ref secretary who happened to be on the pitch next to me also pointed it out in a positive, congratulatory way. If you don't think it's ok, that's fine, it's your opinion. But I like to do it and I won't stop unless I get a call from The IFAB saying stop.How would you feel if the coach started to referee?
Getting 1 set of coaches praising you is not a major accomplishment. I'm sure they'd also praise you for not sending the caution through that you gave. Or for not giving the red card for the DOGSO because it was already 8-0.Annoyed. But that's completely different. I would also point out that after 1 mini soccer game earlier this season, where I made a point of explaining how to take the throws, both sets of coaches thanked me and said most don't do that but should (their words exactly) and the league's ref secretary who happened to be on the pitch next to me also pointed it out in a positive, congratulatory way. If you don't think it's ok, that's fine, it's your opinion. But I like to do it and I won't stop unless I get a call from The IFAB saying stop.
I appreciate that, but having 2 sets of coaches praise me after a game for things like this wasn't exactly rare this season for me. Also, I'm not particularly bothered if a ref sec isn't fond of me. I'm just as qualified for the job as they are, and on one occasion when we had a temporary to fill in I was actually more qualified, having sat through the course. I personally believe this sort of stuff is good for rapport and player development, and is absolutely necessary. However, I know people like you don't agree, but you don't have to. No ref is the same. That's life!Getting 1 set of coaches praising you is not a major accomplishment. I'm sure they'd also praise you for not sending the caution through that you gave. Or for not giving the red card for the DOGSO because it was already 8-0.
Same for league secretary's. They aren't necessarily referees- and even when they are, they aren't particularly bothered.
Advising players is taught at the course for new referees going into mini soccer.Annoyed. But that's completely different. I would also point out that after 1 mini soccer game earlier this season, where I made a point of explaining how to take the throws, both sets of coaches thanked me and said most don't do that but should (their words exactly) and the league's ref secretary who happened to be on the pitch next to me also pointed it out in a positive, congratulatory way. If you don't think it's ok, that's fine, it's your opinion. But I like to do it and I won't stop unless I get a call from The IFAB saying stop.
I don't actually remember this specific bit of my course but I do remember my RDO saying something along the lines of it being helpful. For context, he ran the line in the National League South Play-Off semi-final, and refereed a Step 4 semi, both a few weeks ago, so I paid particular attention to his guidance, as it clearly got him farAdvising players is taught at the course for new referees going into mini soccer.
No, it clearly says give them another chance, not coach them.I appreciate that, but having 2 sets of coaches praise me after a game for things like this wasn't exactly rare this season for me. Also, I'm not particularly bothered if a ref sec isn't fond of me. I'm just as qualified for the job as they are, and on one occasion when we had a temporary to fill in I was actually more qualified, having sat through the course. I personally believe this sort of stuff is good for rapport and player development, and is absolutely necessary. However, I know people like you don't agree, but you don't have to. No ref is the same. That's life!
I ran the line on the NL N/S play-off final, means diddly squat. Or does it mean you should pay me extra attention on my guidance?I don't actually remember this specific bit of my course but I do remember my RDO saying something along the lines of it being helpful. For context, he ran the line in the National League South Play-Off semi-final, and refereed a Step 4 semi, both a few weeks ago, so I paid particular attention to his guidance, as it clearly got him far
Rubbish.Advising players is taught at the course for new referees going into mini soccer.
Nothing that says don't help them. They are kids ranging from 6 to 10 years old! Do you really think anyone who wants to go home with a face in one piece is going to make a kid cry by penalising them for having a foot an inch off the floor?No, it clearly says give them another chance, not coach them.
I doubt a child is going to cry over that. And even then, they could still get it wrong after your coaching. Then what?Nothing that says don't help them. They are kids ranging from 6 to 10 years old! Do you really think anyone who wants to go home with a face in one piece is going to make a kid cry by penalising them for having a foot an inch off the floor?
Then, you give it the other way.Then what?
And fail to apply the LOTG?If they're 6 years old, get the ball in play and get on with it.
I doubt you would like to see that if you observed me on a Sunday morning! Allowances need to be made in some way, and I believe helping player development is that way.We're there to officiate a football match