Diego Simeone - Athletico v Real Madrid
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Some spot though by the VAR
The penalty didn't look right to me, it seemed to loop and that is almost always down to a double touch. I said straight away it was going to get reviewed.
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Julian Alvarez penalty ruled out for double touch in Champions League
Atletico Madrid's Julian Alvarez has his penalty kick disallowed for a double touch on the ball after slipping over in the shootout against Real Madrid in the Champions League.
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If that's the only evidence we have, there is no way it's conclusive enough for me to overturn it.
The camera angle from behind is even less supportive of double touch, or should I say it's more supportive of single touch.
For me this is in the realms of re-refereeing the game based on balance of probabilities. The referee had the perfect angle to see it and call it himself. (The still not the moment of kick but to show the ref's angle)
The camera angle from behind is even less supportive of double touch, or should I say it's more supportive of single touch.
For me this is in the realms of re-refereeing the game based on balance of probabilities. The referee had the perfect angle to see it and call it himself. (The still not the moment of kick but to show the ref's angle)
If you see the reverse angle (much better angle for ball path), there is no loop or deviations for the angle of right foot kick at all.
LothianRef
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i think this is absolutely the correct outcome, however penalising this with a straight 'miss' seems harsh compared to the offence (in that it is completely unintentional)
potentially the law could be amended to allow retakes if the attacker slips in the process of taking a penalty causing a double touch?
potentially the law could be amended to allow retakes if the attacker slips in the process of taking a penalty causing a double touch?
I agree with @RustyRef - as I watched it live, something certainly didn't look right about the penalty.
I do wonder if I'm missing something - is the suggestion that it was the same kicking foot that was responsible for the double-touch, or he kicked the ball off his standing foot? Every replay / camera angle I've seen, there's nothing conclusive whatsoever about a double-touch. This, for me personally, does stray into VAR re-refereeing the game, particularly with Marciniak being so close to the kicker.
I do wonder if I'm missing something - is the suggestion that it was the same kicking foot that was responsible for the double-touch, or he kicked the ball off his standing foot? Every replay / camera angle I've seen, there's nothing conclusive whatsoever about a double-touch. This, for me personally, does stray into VAR re-refereeing the game, particularly with Marciniak being so close to the kicker.
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Seems like overkill to me. IFAB, UEFA, @Archer & FIFA all have more important things to be discussing/looking into.
This is a fairly rare scenario that I’m not convinced really needs that much looking in to
If it happens in game, they don’t get to re-take. Why would a shootout be any different?
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I think the suggestion is that it should be changed full stop regardless of shootout or in a match, but I agree... if you change that, where do you draw the line... free kicks... corner kicks... goal kicks?
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Exactly. It opens a can of worms that really doesn’t need opening.
I could only go on the angle showed real time, and my immediate reaction was he's touched that twice, it just didn't look right.
I don't personally think it was re-refereeing the game. It is like keeper encroachment or ball out of play before a goal is scored, it isn't a subjective decision or an in the opinion of the referee decision, if VAR have evidence he touched the ball twice they have an obligation to get involved. Athletico can't really have any complaints as the law is clear, whereas if it wasn't penalised and Real went onto lose they certainly would have grounds for complaint.
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UEFA statement on VAR decision at Atlético de Madrid vs Real Madrid match
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This angle is conclusive i think
Yeah if the VAR had that evidence then they had to act
LothianRef
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That angle is far more conclusive. I’ve no issues with disallowing it now, having seen that.