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Copa America - Ball hits referee

RefIADad

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As I wrote in another forum, "advantage" generally and broadly means "promising attack". Law 9 is clear that a ball hitting a referee with a promising attack ensuing is a dropped ball. It seems like as obvious of a dropped ball as you can get if the referee signals an advantage.

I'm surprised Colombia did not protest this, as it is pretty clear that it's a technical violation of the Laws.
 

Big Cat

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I think he's just indicating 'play on' rather than 'advantage'
Boils down to what the Referee judges to be a 'promising attack'. In this case, the evidence suggests the judgement is wrong because a goal ensues.
I'd like to think I'm a 'path of least resistance' Referee, so I'd be blowing for 'promising attack' every time in the final third (after being struck by the ball). Anything else is just being clever and inviting trouble, which conflicts with what the game expects (fair play)
 

JamesL

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LOL at the commentary on that.
I think that's wrong in law - ball strikes match official + promising attack starts = dropped ball to Brazil.
I wonder what VAR was 'checking'
 

GraemeS

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LOL at the commentary on that.
I think that's wrong in law - ball strikes match official + promising attack starts = dropped ball to Brazil.
I wonder what VAR was 'checking'
Checking the protocol to see if they are allowed to advise a review or not?
 

JamesL

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Checking the protocol to see if they are allowed to advise a review or not?
Perhaps. Or maybe just offside and didn't think to look at the DB scenario. Its happened in the PL before thinking pickford on VVD SFP not checked.
 

Mr Dean

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It looks like the referee was about to blow his whistle but changes his mind when a promising attack starts. Wtf? That's the complete opposite of what you're supposed to do!
 

es1

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is possession on the right wing a promising attack? to me it's just a generic attacking opportunity

the attack only becomes promising because columbia stop and the brazil player decides to, and executes, a great cross (and the keeper should then save the header)
 

Big Cat

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is possession on the right wing a promising attack? to me it's just a generic attacking opportunity

the attack only becomes promising because columbia stop and the brazil player decides to, and executes, a great cross (and the keeper should then save the header)
At that Level, I'd be playing advantage for it. Even on a Sunday morning, the player in possession would want the opportunity to put it in the car park. Some aspects of 'safe refereeing', I can't stand. But I don't like being 'clever' either. That's the art of Reffing.... and all of us have situations like this in the closet that we'd rather forget (or learn from)
 

es1

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At that Level, I'd be playing advantage for it. Even on a Sunday morning, the player in possession would want the opportunity to put it in the car park. Some aspects of 'safe refereeing', I can't stand. But I don't like being 'clever' either. That's the art of Reffing.... and all of us have situations like this in the closet that we'd rather forget (or learn from)

yeah absolutely, i had a similar one last year, ball played out and hit me and rebounded back to the defensive team, everyone stopped expecting a drop ball which would have been incorrect in law
 

one

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Putting the whistle in your mouth but not blowing and allowing play to continue is an error you'd expect from a new referee. It's akin to an AR flagging too early for an offside that does not eventuate. I would have had no issue with this if he hadn't done that.

The ball hitting the referee was not the cause of the promising attack (I know this is not the wording used in law). In either case the promising attack started a touch and a turn after the ball touching the referee.
 

RustyRef

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Playing devil's advocate, was the attack any more promising after it hit him than before? It pretty much went back to where it had come from and I'm not sure that ticks the box for what IFAB meant by promising attack when they changed the law.

Safe refereeing would have been to stop play and have a dropped ball, but he probably just saw it had gone back from whence it came and played on. Once it then turned into a promising attack he is somewhat stuck and praying they don't score.
 

wazztie16

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Just watched the video.

Referee really should've given a drop ball once the ball was played out wide and taken under control for the promising attack, as its an unchallenged cross into the penalty area.

My take on it.
 

bester

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Playing devil's advocate, was the attack any more promising after it hit him than before? It pretty much went back to where it had come from and I'm not sure that ticks the box for what IFAB meant by promising attack when they changed the law.

Safe refereeing would have been to stop play and have a dropped ball, but he probably just saw it had gone back from whence it came and played on. Once it then turned into a promising attack he is somewhat stuck and praying they don't score.


As a Colombia player would more than likely have intercepted it then yes.

Fairly likely this incident will result in a 'clarification'.
 

JamesL

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Playing devil's advocate, was the attack any more promising after it hit him than before? It pretty much went back to where it had come from and I'm not sure that ticks the box for what IFAB meant by promising attack when they changed the law.

Safe refereeing would have been to stop play and have a dropped ball, but he probably just saw it had gone back from whence it came and played on. Once it then turned into a promising attack he is somewhat stuck and praying they don't score.
Think it was more likely that a Colombian would have intercepted the ball which then turned into two passes and a goal within seconds. That for me tells me it was a promising attack.

Edit:also add to it the surprise element. To me it was a stop and drop situation.
 

RustyRef

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As a Colombia player would more than likely have intercepted it then yes.

Fairly likely this incident will result in a 'clarification'.

You are probably right with regards to a clarification. Look at it from the referee's perspective at the time though. He won't really be looking at who might have intercepted the pass had it not hit him, he's felt it hit him and bounce straight back to where it came from. Common sense there when you are on the spot is to just play on. Easy to look at it with the benefit of hindsight, but if I saw the ball bounce straight off me back to the team that passed it I'd probably be playing on as well. I wouldn't see a touch off me that took the ball away from goal rather than towards it as having created a promising attack.
 

Big Cat

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You are probably right with regards to a clarification. Look at it from the referee's perspective at the time though. He won't really be looking at who might have intercepted the pass had it not hit him, he's felt it hit him and bounce straight back to where it came from. Common sense there when you are on the spot is to just play on. Easy to look at it with the benefit of hindsight, but if I saw the ball bounce straight off me back to the team that passed it I'd probably be playing on as well. I wouldn't see a touch off me that took the ball away from goal rather than towards it as having created a promising attack.
Ordinarily I'd agree, but ordinary common sense goes oot the winda when Refereeing at times. I just think 'final third', 'might' be a PA, give a DB.
Or I think, bugger, what a tit, I wish I'd given a DB in the final third instead of instantly weighing up what constitutes a 'promising attack'
 
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