Brighton v Arsenal

[The Ginger Ref]

45 minutes of the most tedious football I have ever seen, that aside, this is a refereeing discussion forum.

Is Anthony Taylor really one of the best we’ve got?

Pointing at your watch in lieu of a yellow card for delaying the restart isn’t “what football expects”, nor is it in the LOTG and should be a mandatory booking.

Arsenal should be up to about 3 yellows already but then again the LOTG go out the window after Christmas

 

[ladbroke8745]

45 minutes of the most tedious football I have ever seen, that aside, this is a refereeing discussion forum.

Is Anthony Taylor really one of the best we’ve got?

Pointing at your watch in lieu of a yellow card for delaying the restart isn’t “what football expects”, nor is it in the LOTG and should be a mandatory booking.

Arsenal should be up to about 3 yellows already but then again the LOTG go out the window after round 1 of fixtures.

Fixed for you.

On this, when was the last time you saw a time wasting (sorry, delay restart) card in the first half? Let alone before the 90th minute despite it being ongoing throughout the match.

 

[JamesL]

45 minutes of the most tedious football I have ever seen, that aside, this is a refereeing discussion forum.

Is Anthony Taylor really one of the best we’ve got?

Pointing at your watch in lieu of a yellow card for delaying the restart isn’t “what football expects”, nor is it in the LOTG and should be a mandatory booking.

Arsenal should be up to about 3 yellows already but then again the LOTG go out the window after Christmas

Imo he absolutely is.

I'm not really watching this game but what I have seen is largely correct decision making.

Remember at this level you are managing an event and given what happened in the reverse event any smart referee is going to be 100% sure that when the card comes out for DRP it's dancing naked for all to see a la the one he did give.

 

[JamesL]

Followed my post up with a top notch spot on the penalty, given in real time.

 

[Runner Ref]

I agree with what you’re saying to a point, but I’d say football doesn’t necessarily expect a caution. Rightfully or wrongly, I think we’ve become almost trained to not expect it. Even then, delaying the restart is also ‘in the opinion of’. As football doesn’t have specific time limits for restarts, it’s fairly simple to not caution. Especially in a game like this one where it has been rather bitty. Had the game been end to end, i would have agreed with you an awful lot more. The lack of appeals from players would also suggest they don’t think it is excessive. If players aren’t asking the question, football doesn’t expect it.

Brilliant spot on the penalty.

 

[Refollie]

Great spot on the penalty - took a moment to compute what happened and got it spot on

 

[Paul_10]

I think the penalty is very soft personally especially if supposedly there is a higher threshold for a foul in the box.

Don't think I ever seen a penalty awarded like that before though.

 

[Hilly1618]

I think the penalty is very soft personally especially if supposedly there is a higher threshold for a foul in the box.

Don't think I ever seen a penalty awarded like that before though.

If that is being judged as a careless challenge and therefore a penalty then there have been many more totally ignored throughout this match in other areas of the pitch in my opinion.

 

[Runner Ref]

If that is being judged as a careless challenge and therefore a penalty then there have been many more totally ignored throughout this match in other areas of the pitch in my opinion.

He literally gave a decision Arsenals way for a very similar challenge a couple of minutes before this.

 

[Ryanj91]

Great spot on the penalty - took a moment to compute what happened and got it spot on

Saliba wins the ball. Yes it hit the top of his head, but he wins it. VAR should have recommended a review and shown that angle to AT.

Bare in mind today, a Spurs players deliberately left in a shoulder on Gordon (probably broke his nose) nothing given...

 

[Runner Ref]

Saliba wins the ball. Yes it hit the top of his head, but he wins it. VAR should have recommended a review and shown that angle to AT.

Bare in mind today, a Spurs players deliberately left in a shoulder on Gordon (probably broke his nose) nothing given...

He doesn’t win the ball. The attacking player heads the ball before him, then it glances the top of Salibas head. That is not winning the ball.

Saliba is late and catches him. It’s a fairly rare situation to see something like this in the PA of a player being late in a head to head challenge.

 

[Big Cat]

I think AT was right to award a PK
I thought the Anthony Gordon incident was more a case of an accidental collision
Both incidents are debatable, but personally I thought both referees were more right than wrong

 

[Paul_10]

I think AT was right to award a PK
I thought the Anthony Gordon incident was more a case of an accidental collision
Both incidents are debatable, but personally I thought both referees were more right than wrong

For me Pedro's head also heads into Salibas direction so a collision wasn't avoidable. I just find it hard a clash of heads almost is resulting in a penalty and if Pedro does not fall to the ground, I think it's even less likely it would be given.

 

[Ryanj91]

He doesn’t win the ball. The attacking player heads the ball before him, then it glances the top of Salibas head. That is not winning the ball.

Saliba is late and catches him. It’s a fairly rare situation to see something like this in the PA of a player being late in a head to head challenge.

How is it any different to a foot race and the attacker nudges it in front and the defender wins the ball when sliding in?

Saliba makes contact with the ball first, then they have a clash of heads.

Still think it should have gone to the monitor as the clear and obvious error was there. Had he looked at it and said ok pen, then i feel the process would have been better.

 

[Runner Ref]

How is it any different to a foot race and the attacker nudges it in front and the defender wins the ball when sliding in?

Saliba makes contact with the ball first, then they have a clash of heads.

Still think it should have gone to the monitor as the clear and obvious error was there. Had he looked at it and said ok pen, then i feel the process would have been better.

When did making contact with the ball mean something isn’t a foul? Plus I’d say there’s a difference between a player making contact with the ball, and the ball making contact with a player.

I don’t generally pay much attention as to what pundits say, but I think it’s quite telling that even they are in agreement with the decision.

 

[JamesL]

How is it any different to a foot race and the attacker nudges it in front and the defender wins the ball when sliding in?

Because that is not even remotely close to what happened

Saliba makes contact with the ball first, then they have a clash of heads.

Dont think that he did

Still think it should have gone to the monitor as the clear and obvious error was there. Had he looked at it and said ok pen, then i feel the process would have been better.

What does this even mean?

It was a clear and obvious error, so he should have gone to the monitor and then confirmed his clear and obvious error, and awarded a clearly and obviously wrong penalty???

Fwiw I called foul when it happened and seen nothing since to change my mind. It was a pen which is why, following the correct procedure, the VAR didn't recommend and on field review.

 

[RustyRef]

Hope I'm wrong, but I suspect there are some posts made with red blinkers on here. It's a clear penalty, appreciate he didn't mean to headbutt him but he did, that makes it careless just as if he hadn't meant to trip him but did.

I watched it in a sports pub and no one had a complaint about the penalty, including the small group of Arsenal fans in there.

 

[one]

Still think it should have gone to the monitor as the clear and obvious error was there.

Most referees here and many pundits think it was a pen. That completely negates your statement.

On a different note, did anyone see the kick out in backplay at the taking of the penalty? Would have been a amazing pick up if the VAR had seen it.

 

[Runner Ref]

Most referees here and many pundits think it was a pen. That completely negates your statement.

On a different note, did anyone see the kick out in backplay at the taking of the penalty? Would have been an amazing pick up if the VAR had seen it.

I think the commentators said the VAR did check it. I only saw one very glancing clip of it, so no idea what actually happened

 

[RustyRef]

I think the commentators said the VAR did check it. I only saw one very glancing clip of it, so no idea what actually happened

They did, they said that it was a kick out but with no real contact so no review was recommended. They actually said he was lucky a bit like Joao Pedro was the week before with his swinging elbow.