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  1. GraemeS

    Liverpool vs Arsenal (Craig Pawson)

    Mane is pretty much in possession of the ball - he's got his body in between the ball and the opponent. In that position, spreading your arms and levering off an opponent who is trying to get round you is 100% standard play for me. The only reason this has become an issue for me is because he's...
  2. GraemeS

    Penalty decision

    Fair enough, apologies if I misread your previous post. That's interesting that you read it that way - my interpretation of rugby's advantage has always been pretty much that you explicitly do get the opportunity to have two bites at the cherry. The classic rubgy foul is the defence going in at...
  3. GraemeS

    Liverpool vs Arsenal (Craig Pawson)

    Yes. If you're going to push an opponent to shield the ball, it makes perfect sense to try and do so with as much strength as you can generate. If closing your fist helps you generate a stronger forearm push, it is a perfectly natural, not-SFP action to do so. if you didn't cut out the rest of...
  4. GraemeS

    Liverpool vs Arsenal (Craig Pawson)

    There's a difference between "saying it's OK" and where I stand. I'm perfectly happy with the yellow - it's careless and inattentive. He means to carry out a forceful push in the chest (careless at least) and isn't paying enough attention so ends up catching the player in the chin (lack of...
  5. GraemeS

    Liverpool vs Arsenal (Craig Pawson)

    As we all know, stills are rubbish for this kind of thing. If you see the angle @JamesL has posted but in motion rather than still, it's clear that the contact is with the Arsenal player's chest initially, his arm then slides up in the process of trying to lever him off. He can't use his palm...
  6. GraemeS

    Penalty decision

    That feels...unfairly flippant. Both sports have an advantage law, broadly speaking designed to ensure a offended-against team looses out as little as possible as a result of that foul. But they've taken a very different approach to what is a fair amount of second chance to give - that seems...
  7. GraemeS

    Junior/Youth DOGSO-H Question

    If the ball's bobbling around pretty much on the line, I wouldn't automatically rule out SPA/DOGSO. If catching the ball has stopped it dropping at an attacker's feet, I think you'd need to be showing a card of some sort. EDIT: Sorry, just read the rest of the post you were replying to and now...
  8. GraemeS

    Penalty decision

    I wonder why Rugby doesn't have the same problem with the "two bites of the cherry" issue - their advantage law is literally based around that as a key part of what it exists to do. And no one seems to think that's unfair.
  9. GraemeS

    Brighton v Manchester United - Handball after final whistle

    For review yes. For a check? I'm not sure.
  10. GraemeS

    Brighton v Manchester United - Handball after final whistle

    Not a bad idea, but again, not AFIK permissible within the current protocols. And I think "three seconds" is a bit of a downwards exaggeration - the ball at that time was still bouncing around outside the Brighton box. If he leaves it 10 seconds because he thinks there's a chance someone might...
  11. GraemeS

    TOT V NEW (not another one)

    Oh yeah, that's of course true, but I still see it as less of a problem. Currently, you can't go back to the defining principal of a law - because the defining principal is nonsense and it's impossible to know if it was deliberate or not. So the core concept of what handball should or should not...
  12. GraemeS

    Penalty decision

    I could just as easily ask you why you're denying a team a deserved penalty just because it happened to go somewhere near someone else on that team? Without actually seeing the incident, either of us could probably be right or wrong. But if I've got the whistle in real life and I'm not clear if...
  13. GraemeS

    Brighton v Manchester United - Handball after final whistle

    But the problem is, the ball was still in play. He didn't have the option of stopping the game to see what happened, except by blowing full time or waiting and hoping the ball went out. If he was to delay blowing full time only because there was a chance of a VAR intervention, and Brighton then...
  14. GraemeS

    TOT V NEW (not another one)

    I think the entire concept of "deliberate" handball is flawed to be honest. It made sense when football was played in trousers and flat caps and the norm was for players to self-report fouls, but as soon as a neutral third party referee was created, the idea should have been scrapped at that...
  15. GraemeS

    Penalty decision

    But it's happened too fast for a conscious "advantage" decision, which I do think changes the answer slightly from your otherwise well-reasoned post. If you look at the shot he's about to get, make a decision that it requires advantage, call it out loud and it then goes wide, I think you've...
  16. GraemeS

    TOT V NEW (not another one)

    That's not an unfair question, but again it highlights how short-sighted the previous moaning was. Now we can at least discuss your question. 2 or 3 years ago, everyone just assumed "consistency" was the correct answer.
  17. GraemeS

    Indirect free kick taken quickly

    There is very little that is special about an IFK - a goal can't be scored directly from it, and the referee should have his arm in the air until that second touch is taken to mean a goal can be scored. In pretty much every other respect, they can be treated exactly the same as a DFK.
  18. GraemeS

    TOT V NEW (not another one)

    Bingo! Consistency! Everyone who's moaned for years has got what they asked for.
  19. GraemeS

    Penalty decision

    If it's that quick, it actually really benefits you as the referee. Player slots it? Great - give it the big arms, yell "ADVANTAGE" at the top of your lungs and bask in the glory and adulation that will surely come your way. Player misses it? Now you've got a decision to make. Did he miss it...
  20. GraemeS

    TOT V NEW (not another one)

    But as I said - it's easy to go "This isn't what we want", but difficult to say "What we want is...." You want to go back to what we had a few years ago? There's a reason it got changed - and it's because every referee interpreted it differently. The same contact would be penalised one day and...
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