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ladbroke8745

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Joao Pedro swings an elbow,and actually looked over his shoulder at the player to do so, violently, after being pulled back (which the Brentford player was booked for) and it's cleared as there was "clear gap" between the two players.
An inch closer and the Brentford player is seriously injured.
How can VC not be a consideration.
 
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Really really poor from VAR to not be getting involved. Can’t think of any reason why they wouldn’t, other than what I’ve said many times before; SG officials don’t seem to be very good at identifying SFP or VC.
 
From the BBC.

Mark Clattenburg tells Amazon Prime there's got to be contact for violent conduct to count.

He says if there had been contact between Joao Pedro's elbow and Yehor Yarmoliuk's head, it would have been an "easy" straight red.

I don't know if he said that or not.. but surely he knows the laws better than that? I can't understand how VAR can possibly say that this is not violent conduct.
 
Alex_the_ref said:
From the BBC.

Mark Clattenburg tells Amazon Prime there's got to be contact for violent conduct to count.

He says if there had been contact between Joao Pedro's elbow and Yehor Yarmoliuk's head, it would have been an "easy" straight red.

I don't know if he said that or not.. but surely he knows the laws better than that? I can't understand how VAR can possibly say that this is not violent conduct.
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He did say that.
 
The mind boggles...

You literally couldn't wish for a clearer VC example. Ticks every applicable box in lotg extremely clearly
 
Kavanagh on the VAR.
He was the one that sent off Fernandes that was overruled, he was also the one that sent off Brentfords Norgaard - both overturned.
And both after he was told to go view it (I'm sure he went to monitor for Fernandes one).
Why has he not recommended it to be reviewed by Madley himself is beyond me.
Easy to sell it too if he agrees. I don't think Madley actually quite saw the turn of the head by Pedro and the aggressive nature of the elbow swing.
 
ladbroke8745 said:
Kavanagh on the VAR.
He was the one that sent off Fernandes that was overruled, he was also the one that sent off Brentfords Norgaard - both overturned.
And both after he was told to go view it (I'm sure he went to monitor for Fernandes one).
Why has he not recommended it to be reviewed by Madley himself is beyond me.
Easy to sell it too if he agrees. I don't think Madley actually quite saw the turn of the head by Pedro and the aggressive nature of the elbow swing.
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Very poor from him to not be telling AM to go take a look.

Kavanagh wasn’t sent to the screen for the Fernandes red. He gave it onfield after input from AR.
 
Is he actually attempting to strike him? Looks like he possibly misses him on purpose. Either way it would have been a dumb way to get sent off
 
Runner Ref said:
If MC really has said that, then he’s either had a massive brain fart or he is just trying his best to defend the officials. Laws are pretty clear that contact doesn’t necessarily need to be made for VC
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Said something about intent being taken out of the laws a few years ago so not able to be reviewed (can't remember the exact words).

But the law definitely says "regardless of whether contact is made" so surely has to be considered potential VC?
 
Pwizardo said:
Said something about intent being taken out of the laws a few years ago so not able to be reviewed (can't remember the exact words).

But the law definitely says "regardless of whether contact is made" so surely has to be considered potential VC?
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Below is what the laws say. Pretty clear contact doesn’t need to be made.

Violent conduct is when a player uses or attempts to use excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball, or against a team-mate, team official, match official, spectator or any other person, regardless of whether contact is made.
In addition, a player who, when not challenging for the ball, deliberately strikes an opponent or any other person on the head or face with the hand or arm, is guilty of violent conduct unless the force used was negligible.

He’s correct in that it doesn’t use the words intent or deliberate (may have done in times gone by, but one of our forum gurus would be able to confirm that). But since VC is when not challenging for the ball, is there an instance where it can be VC without being deliberate?

When the idea of ex-officials going into media/punditry came about, I was all for it. But if anything, it’s made things worse. You either get Halsey & Hackett criticising referees for just existing, or you get Gallagher & Walton who will defend just about anything. Clattenburg was a very very good referee in his day. But he sold out and went off to Saudi for a pay day, then realised he still needed a career once that was over. The last bit of credibility he had was lost during his Forest stint, IMO.
 
Think this might be one of different "rules" at grass roots and the top level. I'm 100% sending off for that at grass roots or there'd be a risk of a riot, but I suspect other than on a refereeing forum there aren't that many complaints that no red was shown here, on the basis there was clearly no contact. Had me racking my brains, how many red cards have there been at the top levels of the game for a swing and a miss?
 
RustyRef said:
Think this might be one of different "rules" at grass roots and the top level. I'm 100% sending off for that at grass roots or there'd be a risk of a riot, but I suspect other than on a refereeing forum there aren't that many complaints that no red was shown here, on the basis there was clearly no contact. Had me racking my brains, how many red cards have there been at the top levels of the game for a swing and a miss?
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Contact not being made is irrelevant. I understand where you’re coming from in terms of the top levels cherry picking what they do and don’t punish, but it’s yet another kop out from them.
 
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