Hello, This was from a women's college quarterfinal match. Penn State University in Blue. University of North Carolina in white. The final decision was offside. What do you guys think? It seems like most of the chatter was about whether or not the white team player's touch was a deliberate play, but when the blue team player kicks the ball, the blue team player who receives it from white was in an onside position, so the white team player touching it doesn't even matter. The side view is at 45 seconds in. I do believe that, if the blue player was in an offside position when her teammate kicked it, it would be offside because white team's touch was not a deliberate play. This goal would have put blue up 2-0 and the game went to OT tied 1-1 and white won in OT with a golden goal and went on to win the National Championship. Thanks for your thoughts.
Was this one Offside?
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Thank you. This is exactly what I'm seeing and I think all VAR was worried about was whether or not it was a deliberate play or not by white...and as you stated...it didn't even matter.It's on side.
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Blue 25 is onside here so deliberate play is irrelevant.
The player who scores a goal appears to be behind the ball when is player by blue 25.
Also, what this abomination of VAR??? 7 minutes to arrive at an incorrect decision
And Big Cat apparently
although I'm minded to agree that had the blue 25 been in an offside position this was not a deliberate play.socal lurker
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I cannot fathom how they got OS on review. Love to hear what the thought process was. The only thing I can think is getting caught up on the the position at the time of the touch by the defender, but that’s an awfully big mistake for someone doing this level of game—and shouldn’t have taken very long.It's on side.
Also, what this abomination of VAR??? 7 minutes to arrive at an incorrect decision
I believe the video review in US college is completely different from FIFAs VAR model. I don’t believe there is a VAR. I believe it is a challenge system, and the R goes to look at the video with the help of a technician. Perhaps someone on here knows the actual details.
While US college has its own rule book, I don’t believe there are any OS differences that would matter here.
Gathered that. What a
show. Players chasing the referee making the TV signal. Not a great image for the game.How does US college do it? Assume it's not sanctioned by FIFA? They don't normally like people going off and doing their own thing unaffiliated.
Completely agree this is onside all day long at the time of the original ball and it really didn't take long to work it out.
Let's say she had been offside at the time of the original pass, I'd have concluded a deliberate play given it meets at least three, arguably four, of the criteria of being "in control of the ball":
Let's say she had been offside at the time of the original pass, I'd have concluded a deliberate play given it meets at least three, arguably four, of the criteria of being "in control of the ball":
- The ball travelled from distance and the player had a clear view of it YES
- The ball was not moving quickly I'D CONCLUDE YES, AS FEEL THIS IS TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT WHEN IT'S BLASTED AT CLOSE-ISH RANGE
- The direction of the ball was not unexpected YES
- The player had time to coordinate their body movement, i.e. it was not a case of instinctive stretching or jumping, or a movement that achieved limited contact/control YES
- A ball moving on the ground is easier to play than a ball in the air
I agree, incredibly poor officiating, firstly not offside, should take ten seconds to conclude that.
Even then, clearly deliberate play, based on distance, the defender's issue was poor technique, used wrong foot to attmept to kick the ball.
Were the offcials reading the law book or looking at a second screen?
Even then, clearly deliberate play, based on distance, the defender's issue was poor technique, used wrong foot to attmept to kick the ball.
Were the offcials reading the law book or looking at a second screen?
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Grasping at straws perhaps it called not offside due to it being a deliberate play and they challenged that specific point?
Horrendous defending. Ball traveled a distance not particularly quickly, misjudges the flight, goes with wrong foot and changes path of ball.
If this is now not a deliberate play it's swung too far back in the direction of the defender.
@socal lurker Sounds similar to the system that IFAB have proposed to trial in leagues without the resources for full VAR.
Horrendous defending. Ball traveled a distance not particularly quickly, misjudges the flight, goes with wrong foot and changes path of ball.
If this is now not a deliberate play it's swung too far back in the direction of the defender.
@socal lurker Sounds similar to the system that IFAB have proposed to trial in leagues without the resources for full VAR.
I think when the new wording was introduced they were accompanied by videos and there was a not a deliberate play video very similar to this.
Whilst I agree with much of what you have said the ball being in the air means it's less likely to be considered as a controlled deliberate play.
What a mess, that's a poor decision by the AR, but for the referee to watch a replay and come up with offside is just baffling.
Not sure how they are allowed to have a weird challenge video review system when the laws are clear about technology being used and what is required for VAR?
Not sure how they are allowed to have a weird challenge video review system when the laws are clear about technology being used and what is required for VAR?
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That wouldn’t be classed as a deliberate play by the defender.
They massively favoured the defender. Maybe someone has a link. I didn't agree with them at the time. I subsequently resolved to favour the defensive side when in any doubt. That said, it would probably cause a bit of chaos to class this as a non-deliberate play as spectators would probably go mental either way
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Under current interpretation it would 100% be offside. We actually had this topic at our last society evening with a current FL liner. A very sinilar incident occurred in his game and he gave offside and was deemed correct.
General rule of thumb is is the ball is off the ground, it’s less likely to be classed as a deliberate play.
Sorry, I misread your post. I'm not with it today
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I’ll consider letting you off
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