Rome wasn't built in a day. Simon Jordan talks about this a lot when ex-players complain about dissent cautions, added time, time wasting for cautions, etc, and I completely agree with him. His response is always why do they think this kind of action was needed and is now being forced onto them? It is because of the actions of players over the past 20 years trying to bend every possible law to their advantage, people have now had enough and decided that action was needed. And that isn't just in England, action is being taken by confederations and other individual nations now, the players and coaches have pushed the boundaries for too long and are now finding themselves facing consequences.
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Interesting, though i can see where the panel is coming from. Although I totally get that the 4th official is there to assist the team & gave his thoughts to the Referee, ultimately, given the body language of the Referee from what he saw from a credible position, I think he should have stuck to his original thoughts that the Forest player made ‘lawful’ contact with the ball. Given this outcome, it will now be interesting to see what happens to the sendings off of the 2 Managers, but could well be nothing since whatever decision is made by the Referee, it doesn’t excuse the behaviour of Managers.
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Why is it considered poor practice for a referee to signal that the ball was won either with hands making a ball shape or pointing at the ball? And does that poor practice extend down to grassroots? I do it, not every match but I’ll do it numerous times over a season and no one’s ever told me it’s poor practice. I just became L5 and I’m not on promotion.
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Because things can still be a foul, regardless of getting the ball. All it does is conflate the belief that winning the ball= no foul.
Interesting take, I'm definitely in the dissenting camp. He wraps a leg either side of Pedro's, already heading towards reckless, add the speed and the arguable SPA in there and I don't see how it's not a yellow
I'm pretty sure he comes onto the pitch to complain about the challenge, certainly one of the Brighton coaching staff do. If Taylor has told Jones about this it becomes a mandatory red card really.
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Some may say SPA, some may say not.
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I kinda disagree. I have found it way easier to give the first dissent card of the match - for less severe dissent - this season. Everyone knows the threshold is low, they’ve seen it on TV. The leagues have announced it. They know, teammates are supportive, coaches know.
Last night prone player whinging for a card, dissent by action throwing his arm at me, easy yellow. Last season I’d be managing it. This season, YC in 17th min, heated match, but no more dissent thereafter. I think it’s working.
If a foul at midfield with 20 yards of space to run into with only 3 defenders back to mark 3 attackers isn't SPA then what is?
I’m not disagreeing with you, but some may say it’s closer to the half way line than midfield and some may say they would prefer the attacker to be deeper into their opponent’s half before considering an SPA.
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Those people make sense . . . In an under 12 game . . .
I doubt if he will be able to wiggle out of that unless there is mitigation because of the outcome of the MCS panel from the incident that set things off - with them disagreeing with the Referee to have sent the Forest player off after originally he thought that there was no foul - presumably why the Brighton Manager took offence.
Two managers red cards.
Does this set a precedent, speak to Howard & you avoid a one match touchline ban. Seems odd when the disciplinary committee have not delivered a verdict. Nuno says he hasn’t spoken to Howard.
Does this set a precedent, speak to Howard & you avoid a one match touchline ban. Seems odd when the disciplinary committee have not delivered a verdict. Nuno says he hasn’t spoken to Howard.
- Hurzeler said he will be on the touchline at Stamford Bridge, despite his red card in Sunday's draw against Nottingham Forest. On his FA charge: "I know what the fine will be and I also know I will be on the sideline against Chelsea. That's the most positive thing, that I can help my team. I have to learn from the situation, but the fine, we will accept."
- He said his dismissal was because he stepped onto the pitch: "If you give a red card for this, I think you have to ban a lot of coaches during games because it happens. In an emotional phase of the game, it will happen that you make a step on the pitch. Of course we are role models and we have to act like that, but you also should bring out your emotions. In this case, it was just to protect my player because for me it was a hard tackle on him."
- Hurzeler spoke with referees' chief Howard Webb in the aftermath: "He is very open, he listened to me and gave me a clear explanation of how the officials saw the scene. It's important to have a good discussion. Sometimes I don't agree with the referee for what they give a foul for or not, but also they don't agree with all of what I'm doing on the sideline. It's important to have a respectful relationship and the exchange with Howard was very respectful."
If Memory serves, when Tuchel and Conte had their end of game spat and received red cards, at least one if not both were on the touchline for the next game so not totally unprecedented.
From the pictures I have seen, it looked more like one of his coaches went onto the pitch to argue, it did look initially the red for Hurlezer was harsh. I assume Nuno seeing as the decision went against him probably said something out of turn for his red card.
Yet going by the pictures, it would seem Morgan Gibbs White was the worse offender with Anthony Taylor bearing the brunt. Maybe should be more than just the one game ban?
From the pictures I have seen, it looked more like one of his coaches went onto the pitch to argue, it did look initially the red for Hurlezer was harsh. I assume Nuno seeing as the decision went against him probably said something out of turn for his red card.
Yet going by the pictures, it would seem Morgan Gibbs White was the worse offender with Anthony Taylor bearing the brunt. Maybe should be more than just the one game ban?
They haven't avoided a touchline ban, rather they have appealed the charges so aren't suspended until any hearings have been heard. It is delayed rather than avoided.