No there are no 4th officials in lower league Scottish games.
Stranraer v East Fife
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definitely looks like the referee has been flustered and not helped by the assistant.
As already mentioned, it has to be idfk for the double touch and no sanction or dogso red and dfk. Referee has gotten law/restart mixed up. Not a good look for a category 1 official but sure it has or will happen to us all at one point
As already mentioned, it has to be idfk for the double touch and no sanction or dogso red and dfk. Referee has gotten law/restart mixed up. Not a good look for a category 1 official but sure it has or will happen to us all at one point
Keeper double tough could also be a DOGSO offence regardless if he left the area. Would that then be IDFK or a penalty?
See the below screenshot from the LotG Q&A - same principle applies here (not to mention advantage to the non-offending team):
Are you sure it’s not a red card? At that point the keeper isn’t allowed to use his hand so would be considered hand ball as well as second touch?
Also DOGSO is a red card unless making a legitment attempt for the ball……in this case the keeper can’t make a legitimate attempt for the ball and commits DOGSO….therefore red card?
Yes it would be a red card, that was what I meant by DOGSO.
DOGSO, red card, but still an indirect free kick. But only if it's from a restart. Obviously ball in hands isn't a restart. It wouldn't be handball though, as the goalkeeper is allowed to use his hands inside his area. It would only be considered a double touch, but still a DOGSO red card.
The key points here...
If, after a restart, any player plays the ball a 2nd time, and it denies a goal scoring opportunity or stops a promising attack then they are sanctioned according to the offence. The restart is indirect, unless, it is a handball offence. The GK can't commit a handball offence in his own area, there are handling offences where the goalkeeper is not allowed to use his hands/arms but these are not handball offences (i.e. deliberate handling or makes body unnaturally bigger).
Keepers have the same restrictions on handling the ball outside the PA as any other player but is not sanctioned for any keeper specific handling offences within the area (e.g. touching the ball after it has been deliberately kicked to him by a team mate or touching the ball again with hand/arm after he has released it from his control).
So, the only way we could end up with a penalty is if a player, not a GK, played the ball a 2nd time by handling the ball and a DFK if any player (inc. GK) commit handball outside of the area. This is simultaneous offences where we punish the more serious offence of handball.
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if it is in the PA, it cannot be a hand ball by the GK, only a GK violation for playing the ball with his hands after releasing.
A GK can NEVER be cautioned or sent off for one of the GK specific offenses. Period.
A GK handling the ball after releasing it is not a “second touch” offense, it is a GK specific offense.
On a restart (e.g., goal kick), if the GK handles the ball before it is touched by another player it is not a GK specific offense and a second touch offense. In that case, we ignore the GK specific offense, and penalize the second touch because the consequences are more serious, as the GK can be cautioned or sent off for that offense.
Does that help?
Think that explains it really well. I've seen on social media people are tying themselves up in knots because they are comparing a keeper playing the ball twice after releasing it from their hands to a GK. But the law about a keeper playing the ball twice, whether with hands or any other part of the body, being sanctionable is very clear that this is only after a restart.
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IFAB included the "Did the goalkeeper handle outside the area?" question on their site yesterday.
Ok. That really is clear.
My question is, what if that second touch which can’t be a caution as it’s not from a goal kick, but a second touch handling offence is DOGSO. Does that not change the dynamic? Does that not mean red card and IDFK?
Simply if it is from a restart (GK, CK, TI, KO, FK) then sanction for SPA and DOGSO are in play.
If it following the keeper releasing from control in the penalty area there is no sanction at all, unless handball outside of the penalty area in which case handball more serious offence and sanctions apply
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absolutely not.a GK can never be cautioned or sent off for any of the offenses unique to GKs. Period.
(Historical aside. The Laws used to be even more forgiving, saying the GK could never be sanctioned when using their hands. That created the oddity that on a GK/FK if the GK committed a second touch offense with his foot, they could be cautioned for SPA or sent off for DOGSO, but if on the exact same play if they used their hand instead, there could be no sanction. This was a bit weird, but was in official guidance from IFAB that it really was the right answer. This was changed a few years ago in the recognition that using the hands should not be an exemption if it was a separate double touch offense from a restart.)