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Netherlands vs France

socal lurker said:
This is one of the oddities of how the Laws are written. This isn’t in the main bullets for how to interfere with an opponent, but buried in the notes. It’s always bothered me how they wrote this.
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Yes. It's what caught me out in my earlier post.
 
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It was the Schrodinger's Cat of offsides
Both onside and offside depending on your viewpoint (if indeed you watched the game at all)

Makes no odds... UEFA Bigwigs would've been creaming their pants at the on-field Teamwork
Like when we get observed. A tick-box presented itself and Taylor took advantage of the opportunity to put himself in the frame for the final with a decision that's sure to get backed up regardless if it was right or wrong

Let's face it though. Not a Schrodinger's Cat in Hells chance of the Keeper saving it. Not even I would've got near that! Absolutely no chance
But we have seen precedents of similar incidents being given as offside in the EPL so I'm happy with the consistency of the decision
And, I'd layed Netherlands, so saved me a few quid ;)
 
Has to be offside. By law most importantly, and by what (sane people watching) football expects. And because goal hanging.

Otherwise at free kicks teams would stick 2 players on the goal line either side of the GK.

The Dutch players and fans should be blaming their player here. He should be much smarter. By getting caught in an offside position close to the goal, shot and GK, he’s potentially cost his team a goal and maybe qualification or an easier route in the tournament. He should have got out of there.
 
Big Cat said:
It was the Schrodinger's Cat of offsides
Both onside and offside depending on your viewpoint (if indeed you watched the game at all)

Makes no odds... UEFA Bigwigs would've been creaming their pants at the on-field Teamwork
Like when we get observed. A tick-box presented itself and Taylor took advantage of the opportunity to put himself in the frame for the final with a decision that's sure to get backed up regardless if it was right or wrong

Let's face it though. Not a Schrodinger's Cat in Hells chance of the Keeper saving it. Not even I would've got near that! Absolutely no chance
But we have seen precedents of similar incidents being given as offside in the EPL so I'm happy with the consistency of the decision
And, I'd layed Netherlands, so saved me a few quid ;)
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Agree the decision looks like it has to be backed. I do hope that happens and they make it known - it would be good to shut a few of the idiot pundits up. Where was Christina when we needed her ?!
 
The Ginger Ref said:
it’s the problem with subjective decisions

I would argue that the keeper isn’t even ready for the follow up shot, the ball is past him before he’s even had time to make a conscious decision to make a save, he does that weird action of dropping to his knee when keepers know they have been beaten (similar to when they go the wrong way for a penalty)

The position of the Dutch player does not prevent him from playing the ball in my opinion, it was a cop out decision
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If you don't want subjective decisions, then I'd suggest switching to a different sport.

Personally, I believe that you are completely wrong in your analysis, this decision will get full backing from UEFA and (taken together with the England team's relatively dire showing) will further increase the chance of Taylor and team being heavily involved in the latter stages.

However, regardless of your view on the correctness of the decision, to describe it as a 'cop out' is, frankly, laughable. This was a binary, game changing call and whatever was decided would always face intense scrutiny (and criticism from fans of the 'aggrieved' team). 'Copping out' of a decision simply wasn't an option in this case ....
 
JamesL said:
See @Redref34 post above.

"a player moving from, or standing in, an offside position is in the way of an opponent and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball, this is an offside offence if it impacts on the ability of the opponent to play or challenge for the ball;"
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I immediately thought and still think offside is the best call, but, after reading all the posts and playing a little devil's advocate...the law quoted above states..."and interferes with the movement of the opponent towards the ball". Did the GK really show any movement towards the ball before the ball was past him? I still think offside is the best call, but even this language doesn't totally support the call....in my opinion.
 
Whether the keeper had a chance of saving it is neither here nor there, that isn't in the laws. But any vague possibility he had of saving it was prevented by a player standing in an offside position, so it has to be offside. He wasn't teleported there, he chose to stand in an offside position, and standing is enough to be given offside even if there is no movement.
 
But he simply wasn't prevented, keepers feet were all wrong for a dive to even be possible.
In my opinion 😁
 
cooperd5 said:
But he simply wasn't prevented, keepers feet were all wrong for a dive to even be possible.
In my opinion 😁
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And when the law says prevent you'll have a point.
Impacts ability to play ball, not prevents.

Football does not work on assumptions. This is why we don't award a goal unless the ball wholly crosses the line between the posts and under the crossbar. Even if it's 1 million % certain to be a goal had the thing that stops it from being a goal (outside agent/blatant handballs e.g.) not interfered/prevented it.

You don't know if the keeper was about to pull off save of the tournament. Fact is his ability to do so was impacted by a player in an offside position moving into his way.
 
Russell Jones said:
If you don't want subjective decisions, then I'd suggest switching to a different sport.

Personally, I believe that you are completely wrong in your analysis, this decision will get full backing from UEFA and (taken together with the England team's relatively dire showing) will further increase the chance of Taylor and team being heavily involved in the latter stages.

However, regardless of your view on the correctness of the decision, to describe it as a 'cop out' is, frankly, laughable. This was a binary, game changing call and whatever was decided would always face intense scrutiny (and criticism from fans of the 'aggrieved' team). 'Copping out' of a decision simply wasn't an option in this case ....
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And that's your opinion 👍
 
The Ginger Ref said:
And that's your opinion 👍
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It was also a correct opinion though. The authorities at senior levels expect that to be given as offside, even if it hadn't been given on-pitch I'm certain VAR would have got involved. I would argue it isn't really that subjective, taking aside whether the keeper had much chance of saving it, it is an absolute fact that he had zero chance of saving it because of a player stood in an offside position.

I've been away all weekend and not seen any football, based on what I'd heard I'd expected this to be a really controversial decision, but it really wasn't, it was a clear offside.
 
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