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England v Germany Euro 22 Womens Final

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Loved the officiating early in game, letting some good, hard challenges go, but 2 cautions in 2 minutes that are questionable purely based on what she let go in the opening 20 minutes.

Because of work, first England game I've managed to watch.
 
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Yeah I don't think she's having a particularly strong game. Just given England a free kick: the england player swung at the ball, missed, kicked the german, and went down screaming.
 
I'm of the opposite opinion. I think Monzul has done very well. She's set a lower misconduct bar and stuck to it. Sure, there's been some physical play, but it's been manageable and she's used her cards well. The misconduct has been consistent, which is all you can ask for. I'd MUCH rather have that than a match where the referee tries to manage things instead of trying to talk through misconduct.
 

I have a PK and red card here in the first half. Anyone else have thoughts?
I think you'll have to enlighten us, as I certainly cannot see anything in there that is even remotely an offence.
 
I think you'll have to enlighten us, as I certainly cannot see anything in there that is even remotely an offence.
If the ball hit the forearm, it’s a penalty and a red for denial of a goal by handling.

After watching it multiple times, I still can’t tell if the ball hit the forearm after it legally came off the shoulder.
 
The reference is to potential handling just in front of the goal line. Does seem like a missed handball, though there is a player behind, so Im not convinced it was DOG.
 
Russo and Bronze put in some very dirty challenges late on.
Russo got away with a blatant elbow in the face - missed easy yellow card. Before she went in the book for clattering Oberdorf.

I thought the referee called a lot of trifling fouls at the start of the second half, and AR1 did not help, by also flagging tiny stuff, mostly favouring England. I didn't see the first half, but I presume they were attempting to tighten up - but it wasn't a good look for me.
 
If the ball hit the forearm, it’s a penalty and a red for denial of a goal by handling.

After watching it multiple times, I still can’t tell if the ball hit the forearm after it legally came off the shoulder.
If the ball hit the forearm, it’s a penalty and a red for denial of a goal by handling.

After watching it multiple times, I still can’t tell if the ball hit the forearm after it legally came off the shoulder.
So we are all clear, are you saying if it hit the shoulder then the forearm (which was in a natural position) you would award a penalty?
 
Not a single German player is appealing, and the VAR check was very quick. Agree with Trip, I think the conclusion is that they can't prove contact and that's the end of it.

Agree as well with Santa - I wasn't able to watch much of the previous England matches and was surprised by how chippy Russo was when she came on! Don't know if she's always like that, or if she came on with instructions to get in Germany's faces - commentators seemed to think Germany were getting away with a bit and Russo's introduction certainly swung the tide on that. I'm not totally convinced on the "elbow" being deliberate at all, but she'd definitely left one on an opponent a few times and I think the eventual PI yellow was definitely a foul or two too late at that point.
 
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I think if she had booked Oberdorf for the first late lung, she would have made the game much easier for herself. Once Stanway did the same and got cautioned for it, she lost control a little.
 
Have to say - the nerves I encountered doing a county cup Sunday lower middle this season were epic - can’t even imagine how the ref would have felt yesterday.

Thought she had a good 2nd half on the whole. 1st half was nervy I thought.
 
Watch this:


On about 37 seconds you can her bicep wobble, because the ball has hit her at, or just below, the captains armband.

I think England have got away with this (but I’ve had to watch this many times to arrive at this conclusion. Remember, on a saturday on the local wreck we get one look. No way would I have seen that on my own with no replays. Note to self: you do an impossible job reasonably well)
 
That ball is kicked at her from a player standing ONE YARD away, hits her SHOULDER and then MAYBE scrapes her arm?
If this is a pen then just make all ball/hand contact a foul and be done with it.
Any ref giving that is attention seeking. Michael Oliver would def give it...
 
That ball is kicked at her from a player standing ONE YARD away, hits her SHOULDER and then MAYBE scrapes her arm?
If this is a pen then just make all ball/hand contact a foul and be done with it.
Any ref giving that is attention seeking. Michael Oliver would def give it...
To be fair, there’s zero chance I’d call this in live action. I’d have to be sure. Even after watching the replay multiple times, I’m not sure it’s handling. I’m just saying that if I was sure the ball hit the arm, I’d call handling based on arm position. But I’m not calling that-there’s no way I’d be certain enough to call it.
 
That ball is kicked at her from a player standing ONE YARD away, hits her SHOULDER and then MAYBE scrapes her arm?
If this is a pen then just make all ball/hand contact a foul and be done with it.
Any ref giving that is attention seeking. Michael Oliver would def give it...

I don't think this is handball because think it hits her shoulder. However, the arm is raised above the shoulder so if it does hit her arm it's automatically handball according to the laws.

No chance I'm giving it either live or after reviewing that slo-mo (which is the best angle I've seen).
 
. However, the arm is raised above the shoulder so if it does hit her arm it's automatically handball according to the laws.
Not so. That language was removed. Unnatural position is judged by what is natural for what the player is doing. And even before the change, the above the shoulder language didn’t apply if the player had previously deliberately played the ball.
 
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