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GER v ENG

BCMilan said:
Therefore, not a clear and obvious error ?
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its a foul, so a pk. VAR reviews penalty decisions, given or missed. This pk was missed by the onfield referee and correctly given on review

dogso is nothing to do with it
 
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Flawless system!

Who was the ref anyway? I wasn’t particularly watching (didn’t see any KMI live anyway), but when he was on screen giving something or chatting to a player he seemed the business.
 
Max2 said:
Flawless system!

Who was the ref anyway? I wasn’t particularly watching (didn’t see any KMI live anyway), but when he was on screen giving something or chatting to a player he seemed the business.
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Carlos del Cerro Grande, had a decent game. let a lot go, minor contact and as a result the game was better to watch
 
es1 said:
Carlos del Cerro Grande, had a decent game. let a lot go, minor contact and as a result the game was better to watch
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He definitely had an easy paper round, looks in his early 30s but is actually coming up to retirement. I really rate him, he doesn't fall for players throwing themselves over and has a really good mannerism with players.
 
Hypothetically had it been a deflection and not a deliberate play was Kane fouled before committing an offside offence?
 
RustyRef said:
He definitely had an easy paper round, looks in his early 30s but is actually coming up to retirement. I really rate him, he doesn't fall for players throwing themselves over and has a really good mannerism with players.
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Both him and Mateu Lahoz are near retirement. A big changing of the guard in top Spanish refereeing coming up soon.
 
bester said:
Hypothetically had it been a deflection and not a deliberate play was Kane fouled before committing an offside offence?
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I'd say yes. I don't see which of the four clauses for interfering with an opponent he would have committed. If Kane wasn't going to get to the ball then he surely didn't impact an opponents ability to get to a it.
 
David F said:
Isn’t Kane offside for the penalty?
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There's no such thing as being offside (or at least, it's a technically meaningless phrase in terms of the law). There's being in an offside position and there's committing an offside offence.

Was he in an offside positon? Yes. Did he commit an offside offence? I would say almost definitely not.

He didn't touch the ball and he didn't impact on an opponent's ability to play the ball either.

Now, if you asked me if there's something that seems philosophically a little bit "off" in terms of a player in an offside position profiting in a way that would not have happened if not for being in said offside position then I'd have to say yes. But in terms of the law, that doesn't matter.

As others have said, there is a question of whether an opponent has deliberately played the ball but setting that aside, under the law as written today, I can't see that Kane is guilty of an offside offence anyway.

I would also think that in coming to the decision they did, the officials have been mindful of the following section of the offside law:

In situations where [...] a player in an offside position is moving towards the ball with the intention of playing the ball and is fouled before playing or attempting to play the ball, or challenging an opponent for the ball, the foul is penalised as it has occurred before the offside offence
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