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Red card obviously nailed on, unless you’re Frank Lampard after the game as you can guarantee he’ll complain about it.

Richarlison claimed a penalty for a shirt pull seconds prior to the ball being lumped forward. Presume not given because he was (or appeared to Michael Oliver) to pull the defender.

Could be spicy as this goes on.
 
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Red card obviously nailed on, unless you’re Frank Lampard after the game as you can guarantee he’ll complain about it.

Richarlison claimed a penalty for a shirt pull seconds prior to the ball being lumped forward. Presume not given because he was (or appeared to Michael Oliver) to pull the defender.

Could be spicy as this goes on.
Does look like he may have been pulling the defenders arm at the same time but then Brentford were fortunate to get away otherwise with that.
 
Great spot by MO for the penalty. A bit of an overreaction from Richarlison (shocker) but the defender clearly puts an arm across him
 
I think the contact of the knee around the hip is the greater foul, but a correct penalty regardless
 
Another red card for Everton, I’m sure we don’t need to discuss that one too much ….
 
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If you’d been offered odds on an Everton forward being sent off, how many would’ve said Richarlison?

Easy red, surprised at who it was for and probably the last act of his Everton career tbh. I can also see elements of the internet mercilessly plugging this as another “Agent Benitez” act given he signed him.

More seriously, Calvert-Lewin looked injured at the end, so they could be down to 1 fit striker for the run in.
 
That’s 2 reds in this game and one at Leeds/Chelsea without VAR intervention. I have a feeling referees read this forum and have taken @Big Cat comments to heart :p :D
A statistical sample of 2
Very interesting.... Joking aside though, not much value in point scoring on an individual basis
A blind man could spot the DOGSO and Rondon knew his own fate within an instant, whether he meant to endanger an opponent or not
Shame about AT's reliance upon VAR for an obvs PK in the other game, but we ain't keeping score, are we? Again I think AT knew it was a PK, the look on his face told the story
TBH, I'm pretty bored of this VAR debate (honestly I am really, I've lost the game I formerly enjoyed), my views ain't gonna change until there's good reason for it. Besides, I don't care. The games were on in the pub, otherwise I'd be unawares cos I'd have been watching the National League if at home. Shame more people don't love the game at that level like I do
 
A statistical sample of 2
Very interesting.... Joking aside though, not much value in point scoring on an individual basis
A blind man could spot the DOGSO and Rondon knew his own fate within an instant, whether he meant to endanger an opponent or not
Shame about AT's reliance upon VAR for an obvs PK in the other game, but we ain't keeping score, are we? Again I think AT knew it was a PK, the look on his face told the story
TBH, I'm pretty bored of this VAR debate (honestly I am really, I've lost the game I formerly enjoyed), my views ain't gonna change until there's good reason for it. Besides, I don't care. The games were on in the pub, otherwise I'd be unawares cos I'd have been watching the National League if at home. Shame more people don't love the game at that level like I do
I wasn’t having a dig fella, was just a tongue in cheek comment about our other discussion. No issues here :)
 
A statistical sample of 2
Very interesting.... Joking aside though, not much value in point scoring on an individual basis
A blind man could spot the DOGSO and Rondon knew his own fate within an instant, whether he meant to endanger an opponent or not
Shame about AT's reliance upon VAR for an obvs PK in the other game, but we ain't keeping score, are we? Again I think AT knew it was a PK, the look on his face told the story
TBH, I'm pretty bored of this VAR debate (honestly I am really, I've lost the game I formerly enjoyed), my views ain't gonna change until there's good reason for it. Besides, I don't care. The games were on in the pub, otherwise I'd be unawares cos I'd have been watching the National League if at home. Shame more people don't love the game at that level like I do
The replays show that Taylor couldn't possibly have seen the foul, he was clearly blocked off. That is exactly what VAR was brought in for.
 
I will bring stats into the penalty VAR debate. In the 2 full seasons since VAR came in, 23.6% of penalties were awarded were not given by the ref originally but were deemed by VAR to be a clear and obvious error. An average of 82.5 penalties were awarded without VAR, and 25.5 penalties awarded with VAR. In the 5 seasons before VAR was introduced, an average of 92.6 penalties were awarded.

This shows an effect to some agree, but not by the significant margin we saw with red cards. Make of the stats what you will, but it’s harder to conclude anything with these stats compared to the ones I posted the other day.
 
I wasn’t having a dig fella, was just a tongue in cheek comment about our other discussion. No issues here :)
Yeh I know you weren't having a dig.... can't pass up an opportunity for a rant after a few jars on a Sunday afternoon though 🐈
 
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I will bring stats into the penalty VAR debate. In the 2 full seasons since VAR came in, 23.6% of penalties were awarded were not given by the ref originally but were deemed by VAR to be a clear and obvious error. An average of 82.5 penalties were awarded without VAR, and 25.5 penalties awarded with VAR. In the 5 seasons before VAR was introduced, an average of 92.6 penalties were awarded.

This shows an effect to some agree, but not by the significant margin we saw with red cards. Make of the stats what you will, but it’s harder to conclude anything with these stats compared to the ones I posted the other day.
I gather the 82 is the number of PKs that survived VaR review? How many PKs were erased by VAR? To compare the 82 to the 92 you should add the reversed PKs to the 82, as that would give the number called live.
 
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I gather the 82 is the number of PKs that survived VaR review? How many PKs were erased by VAR? To compare the 82 to the 92 you should add the reversed PKs to the 82, as that would give the number called live.

Yeh apologies I did that at 1 last night and you’re right, my stats dont show the full story so here you go. I did compare the live stats for the red cards and that still indicated refs were significantly less likely to show a red card with VAR, as shown on the other thread. With penalties however, it doesn’t.

There were an average of 14.5 penalties overturned by VAR across the last 2 seasons, so live there were an average of 97 penalties awarded by VAR. Compared to an average of 93 awarded in the previous 5 seasons. More penalties were awarded by VAR than overturned but that is the only stat that shows anything to suggest refs are less likely to give pens.
 
Really shocked the shirt pull was not punished, think Everton can feel really hard done by there. It really is one of those if Richarldson went to ground, he may of been given the decision in his favour.
 
Really shocked the shirt pull was not punished, think Everton can feel really hard done by there. It really is one of those if Richarldson went to ground, he may of been given the decision in his favour.
The bigger surprise in that is that Richarlison didn't go to ground. A gust of wind would send that guy down holding his shin
 
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