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Tom_R

Tom_R

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Hi, I'm 15 and a reasonably new referee (I qualified in December) I had an U13s game today which wasn't particularly eventful apart from a corner situation. The ball was out of play and a corner was about to be taken when a player, in his own box, elbowed another player in the back of the head. I immediately signalled for a penalty until I realised I couldn't give it because the ball was out of play so I reverted my decision. I had a word with the player but I wasn't sure if I should give a red or yellow for violent conduct or unsporting behaviour as I couldn't tell if the elbow was accidental. I had a mentor at the match and he said that a red would've been harsh especially as it's a kids match and no one wants to see red cards however he did say I could've cautioned the player. Despite this, I'm still unsure what the best course of action could've been.
 
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ok first well done on correcting your original pk call

The elbow being accidental has no merit, Its whether you decide it is an act of violence, brutality, or, dangerous, reckless

so, thats your choices, and, without wanting to confuse a new referee, bin the notion of not wanting to see cards at a kids match, the mentor is talking mince
If a card is due, esp for v/c, then bye bye.

hard to tell without being there but if you consider it excessive force and or brutality, its a red

nobody who committs what a referee deems vc deserves to stay on a football pitch, 13 or 31
 
Anubis said:
so, thats your choices, and, without wanting to confuse a new referee, bin the notion of not wanting to see cards at a kids match, the mentor is talking mince
If a card is due, esp for v/c, then bye bye.
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I can see it at younger age groups for certain cards, but at U13 they know what they’re doing so Id be less lenient. You can still utilise words more than cards with kids but you still need to show cards.

But for VC, no matter the age group, has to be a red
 
Anubis said:
ok first well done on correcting your original pk call

The elbow being accidental has no merit, Its whether you decide it is an act of violence, brutality, or, dangerous, reckless

so, thats your choices, and, without wanting to confuse a new referee, bin the notion of not wanting to see cards at a kids match, the mentor is talking mince
If a card is due, esp for v/c, then bye bye.

hard to tell without being there but if you consider it excessive force and or brutality, its a red

nobody who committs what a referee deems vc deserves to stay on a football pitch, 13 or 31
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Thanks, I have no problem sending anyone any age group off for v/c the main problem was that I wasn't sure if it was v/c or not.
 
Tom_R said:
Thanks, I have no problem sending anyone any age group off for v/c the main problem was that I wasn't sure if it was v/c or not.
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Well, having witnessed the act, did you define it as brutality?
or, merely reckless

another way of looking at it, usually more apt for when the ball is in play, is, was the elbow used as a weapon, or, a tool.

Weapon, red
Tool, yellow
 
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Anubis said:
Well, having witnessed the act, did you define it as brutality?
or, merely reckless
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I think I'd probably deem it reckless, it looked like he jumped almost and lifted his elbow up which hit the other player on the back of the head. Both players had their back to me so I couldn't see his facial expression which is annoying because I think that would've very useful.
 
Tom_R said:
I think I'd probably deem it reckless, it looked like he jumped almost and lifted his elbow up which hit the other player on the back of the head. Both players had their back to me so I couldn't see his facial expression which is annoying because I think that would've very useful.
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He jumped but the ball was not in play yet?
 
Tom_R said:
Ball wasn’t in play but I’m not really sure if it was a jump or just a step towards his opponent with his arm up.
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Yip unusual for the jump when nothing to jump for

anyway not giving the pk was good and correct
 
Tom_R said:
Hi, I'm 15 and a reasonably new referee (I qualified in December) I had an U13s game today which wasn't particularly eventful apart from a corner situation. The ball was out of play and a corner was about to be taken when a player, in his own box, elbowed another player in the back of the head. I immediately signalled for a penalty until I realised I couldn't give it because the ball was out of play so I reverted my decision. I had a word with the player but I wasn't sure if I should give a red or yellow for violent conduct or unsporting behaviour as I couldn't tell if the elbow was accidental. I had a mentor at the match and he said that a red would've been harsh especially as it's a kids match and no one wants to see red cards however he did say I could've cautioned the player. Despite this, I'm still unsure what the best course of action could've been.
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Was the corner taken or did it happen before it was taken?
 
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