Arsenal vs Leeds
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The referee gets sent to the screen, and to very little surprise it’s overturned to a red.
Raphinha is pushing the line here. Been booked for dissent and is still trying to get into the refs face. His own teammates are trying to hold him back. I’m expecting him to lose his head soon
Raphinha is pushing the line here. Been booked for dissent and is still trying to get into the refs face. His own teammates are trying to hold him back. I’m expecting him to lose his head soon
What was I saying yesterday? Anyone doubting who is actually refereeing the games needs the blinkers removing. KMD... just leave it to VAR
Otherwise, It's an appalling decision to caution and CK would not have made such a fool of himself if he wasn't acting as a 'junior referee' to the VAR
Otherwise, It's an appalling decision to caution and CK would not have made such a fool of himself if he wasn't acting as a 'junior referee' to the VAR
Easy Red card. I can forgive the referee for giving a yellow there as based on the cross field switch and being right in the corner, he’s likely to be caught viewing the challenge from being Ayling but once you’ve seen the replay, no question it’s a red.
Would have loved to have seen Raphina go as well
Would have loved to have seen Raphina go as well
There's no excuse. The entire ground winced. It stunk of SFP. I've no time for excuses. They've done this 'caution first' approach all season
100%. I refuse to believe SG1 officials are this poor at making on field decisions. Not just this one, this can be put down to isolated incident, but all season this has been the case.
Either it’s VAR re-refereeing or PL officials are at an appalling standard
CK had a great reputation and was a very promising Ref until Mike Riley and Co got hold of him. The instructions these Refs are working to are making elite individuals look like idiots
It's like the 'powers that be' are going all out to justify having VAR. Maybe if they just used the damn protocol properly, they wouldn't have such an obvious need to rely on Stockley Park all the time
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In fairness to Kavanagh, he is behind Ayling as he makes the challenge and that is the worst possible view you can have for an SFP challenge. He then pulls the yellow very quickly to try and defuse the situation, which means that none of his colleagues who have better angles can help him out.
For me that is what VAR is for. Referee has made a mistake and VAR has corrected it.
For me that is what VAR is for. Referee has made a mistake and VAR has corrected it.
This is bang on. We can talk about reactions around the ground and saying referees are poor but none of us know what it’s like to chase a premier league winger sprinting 100 yards up the pitch and try and make a quick decision looking through the back of the player. This is exactly what VAR is intended for, to help.
If that were true you’ll never see a referee issue a red card without VAR again
Last season, there were 33 straight red cards awarded in the Prem. VAR awarded 17 of those.
Over 50% of red cards were originally given yellow or nothing by referees. All of these were deemed clear and obvious errors. If a Premier League referee has a less than 50% success rate without technology we need to be seriously concerned
Why? Whether people like VAR or not, it is there to fix refereeing mistakes. Going back to pre-VAR days I've seen plenty of red cards incorrectly given for SFP, now there is a safety net.
Let’s be clear, the referee gave those decisions and not VAR. VAR making decisions is twitter feed talk. Also, the ‘without technology’ quote is pointless as we have technology, therefore we have the safety net and ultimately the referee on the day is making the correct decision come the end of it. Yes, maybe it still has issues and things to be ironed out but ultimately, we shouldn’t be here saying things like ‘we need to be seriously concerned’ or ‘referees are at an appalling standard’ because they are getting the correct outcomes.
Last season only 2 red cards were overturned, so of the 18 (16 correct, 2 incorrect) red cards shown by the ref, 88.89% were deemed to not be clear and obvious errors. This is a good percentage
I’m not arguing about whether Var is good or not, I’m stating that in my opinion, referees have become less likely to show red cards since the introduction of VAR. I remember watching a ref give a straight ref card the other week on TV and thinking “it’s been a long time since I saw that”
In the two full seasons since VAR was introduced, an average of 17 straight red cards have been shown by the ref without VAR (average of 30 straight red cards with VAR)
In the 5 seasons before, with no VAR, there was an average of 29 straight red cards shown by the ref
I'm not dishing the R
I'm the one saying he's better than that. You cannot get to the top of your game if you've got that level of mistake in your locker
Especially considering the frequency of these mistakes by the SG1 pool with the 'safety net' you've correctly termed below
Quite rare
Honestly, you need to get your head out the sand. This is down to Mike Riley and the presence of VAR
It's not Chris Kavanagh. He is one of many promising R's the EPL and VAR have messed up. I promise you, CK knew that was SFP with enough certainty to deal with it
Anyway, let's not fall out about it. I can't prove you're wrong and vice versa. But I know I'm right
... Confident at leastNo surprise the football community hold us in such low regard. At least if they were transparent about their use of the 'safety net', they might save some face... but they can't be transparent, because that's an admission of wrong-doing. Frustrating stuff
I'll sign-off on this thread noo as my views are pretty clear and not much else I can add. Not for at least a few days until it happens again
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I think Big Cat has got a point in all fairness and it's something I came around on board with after seeing it last season also where there seemed to be a large number of yellow cards upgraded to red cards. I think the stats Joshref posted is also quite indicative that there could be a sub conscious of going safe with a yellow rather than a red(as I feel downgrading a red to a yellow seems to be more of a major error than the other way round).
Whether it's fully down to the introduction of VAR has meant referees are going for the safer option or VAR has exposed the seemingly higher threshold for a straight red in the PL is playing a role but either way,the stats Joshref has posted don't make good reading.
Whether it's fully down to the introduction of VAR has meant referees are going for the safer option or VAR has exposed the seemingly higher threshold for a straight red in the PL is playing a role but either way,the stats Joshref has posted don't make good reading.
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