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Letthemplay

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We have a under 12 youth football match due soon and wanted to check if the sin bin rules apply ? This is 9v9 youth football.

We are expecting a game against a well known opposition who are loud, wild and unpredictable with thier behaviour.

Concerns are how parents can /should be managed and players during the match ?

1. For difficult players who are guilty of fouls or excessive fouls, do the sin bin rules apply ? Is it a yellow card = 10mins off the pitch so opposition team will be down by 1 player for 10mins ?

2. Can/should parents be asked to leave the pitch if thier behaviour is unacceptable ?

3. Can "club referees" (parent ref) issue sinbins or send players off for commiting fouls ?
 
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For number 1, only Dissent is a sin-bin. So constant moaning at the referee and comments made aimed at the referee can be punished by 8 minutes in the sin-bin for U12's.

For number 2, if the parents behaviour is unacceptable then they can be asked to leave the sideline (They shouldn't be ON the pitch, assume you meant sideline). If it's a large amount then, the game can be abandoned. In most youth leagues (I know of), the Coaches are responsible for their teams "spectators". Thus means that the referee can speak to the coaches to ask them to speak to the parents

For number 3, a parent referee has the same power as a qualified match official.

Do you play 30 minute halves for U12?
 
Josh the referee said:
For number 1, only Dissent is a sin-bin. So constant moaning at the referee and comments made aimed at the referee can be punished by 8 minutes in the sin-bin for U12's.

For number 2, if the parents behaviour is unacceptable then they can be asked to leave the sideline (They shouldn't be ON the pitch, assume you meant sideline). If it's a large amount then, the game can be abandoned. In most youth leagues (I know of), the Coaches are responsible for their teams "spectators". Thus means that the referee can speak to the coaches to ask them to speak to the parents

For number 3, a parent referee has the same power as a qualified match official.

Do you play 30 minute halves for U12?
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Thanks very much for replying, very helpful.

1.ahh ok...I thought it was only for physical offense. So is it a warning and then a 8min cool off ? So warn the player, maybe inform the coach too ..and if it's repeated then a yellow card + 8min sin-bin ? In that scenario opposition are not allowed to send someone else onto the pitch ? So it would be 8v9 for those 8mins ?

2. Yes absolutely on the sideline. There is 1 particular parent who is very influential and has shown poor behaviour in previous games, to the extend that he was confronting the players and often would be crying after. If the match is abandoned, are the scores at the time taking into account for the result OR is the game replayed ? I appreciate it's not the refs call but I wanted to be clear on this so can explain to opposition.

3. Ok brilliant

And yes, this is a under 12 9v9 match with 2x 30min havles (or 4x quarters)
 
I would suggest stepped approach. Warn the player about the potential for a dissent caution and 8 minutes off and then if there is a repeat caution them. However there is no reason why you can't go straight to a dissent caution if you think it is appropriate.

A stepped approach is easier to sell though, especially if it is clear to capt, players, coach, spectators that you have issued a warning. This could be capt and/or coach being involved at the stepped stage or just informing them - "just so that you know coach, number 8 has been warned about the way he has spoken to me and is close to a dissent caution".
 
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On point 1, the Yellow Card is shown and the player is pointed to the Sin-bin area (on the sideline). If this makes sense without confusing you, the Sin-bin doesn't count as a yellow card.

It's up to the referee whether he warns the player or not, for me it would depend on the severity of the comment made.

The opposition would then play 8 V 9 if they've had one player sin-binned.


For point 2, it's up to the local league what happens with an abandoned match, sometimes the game may be replayed or carried on where it left. In some situations, the team that caused the game to be abandoned may "forfeit" the game. Like I say, all depends on the league and the information that you submit post-match.

Hope that helped!!
 
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I would suggest stepped approach. Warn the player about the potential for a dissent caution and 8 minutes off and then if there is a repeat caution them. However there is no reason why you can't go straight to a dissent caution if you think it is appropriate.

A stepped approach is easier to sell though, especially if it is clear to capt, players, coach, spectators that you have issued a warning. This capt and/or coach at the stepped stage or just informing them - "just so that you know coach, number 8 has been warned about the way he has spoken to me and is close to a dissent caution".
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Think you got there just before I sent my reply 🤣
 
Letthemplay said:
We have a under 12 youth football match due soon and wanted to check if the sin bin rules apply ? This is 9v9 youth football.

We are expecting a game against a well known opposition who are loud, wild and unpredictable with thier behaviour.

Concerns are how parents can /should be managed and players during the match ?

1. For difficult players who are guilty of fouls or excessive fouls, do the sin bin rules apply ? Is it a yellow card = 10mins off the pitch so opposition team will be down by 1 player for 10mins ?

2. Can/should parents be asked to leave the pitch if thier behaviour is unacceptable ?

3. Can "club referees" (parent ref) issue sinbins or send players off for commiting fouls ?
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Are you a referee, or possibly a club referee for this game?
You need to report any misconduct, including any sin bins or spectator disruption of the game.
The sin bin procedure is explained fully on the FA website, including what happens if a player is sin binned twice. As others have indicated, it applies only to player dissent.
Do NOT approach spectators - if you need action the home club manager/coach is responsible for dealing with home and away supporters, and at Under 12's there should be Respect stewards to assist.
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
Do NOT approach spectators - if you need action the home club manager/coach is responsible for dealing with home and away supporters, and at Under 12's there should be Respect stewards to assist.
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Respect stewards at U12s?

In 11 years of playing, spectating, coaching and refereeing junior football, I have never seen or heard of this
 
ChasObserverRefDeveloper said:
Are you a referee, or possibly a club referee for this game?
You need to report any misconduct, including any sin bins or spectator disruption of the game.
The sin bin procedure is explained fully on the FA website, including what happens if a player is sin binned twice. As others have indicated, it applies only to player dissent.
Do NOT approach spectators - if you need action the home club manager/coach is responsible for dealing with home and away supporters, and at Under 12's there should be Respect stewards to assist.
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I'll be the club ref for this one, I was informed by another that the "club ref" doesn't have all the rights that a normal ref would ..and sin bin would not be something a club ref could make a call on ?

Our concerns are parents and one in particular who has a seriously poor reputation. Most of the parents are fearful of any confrontation. Unfortunately the league are not as supportive and in the past matches they have assigned young ref, who are quite new to it and unfortunately they have a very difficult job in thier hands. Most experienced refs would have a difficult match to supervise...it would totally be unfair for a new/young ref to supervise such a game
 
Letthemplay said:
I'll be the club ref for this one, I was informed by another that the "club ref" doesn't have all the rights that a normal ref would ..and sin bin would not be something a club ref could make a call on ?

Our concerns are parents and one in particular who has a seriously poor reputation. Most of the parents are fearful of any confrontation. Unfortunately the league are not as supportive and in the past matches they have assigned young ref, who are quite new to it and unfortunately they have a very difficult job in thier hands. Most experienced refs would have a difficult match to supervise...it would totally be unfair for a new/young ref to supervise such a game
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You were informed incorrectly. A club ref has all the responsibility of an official ref. This includes a sin bin. A sin bin is a type of disciplinary action, of course you have the ability to utilise this. If a player commits dissent towards the referee then he is sin binned.

As for parents, do not deal with it yourself. If they are causing you the problem, inform the coach of the team, it’s their responsibility to sort it out
 
Joshref said:
You were informed incorrectly. A club ref has all the responsibility of an official ref. This includes a sin bin. A sin bin is a type of disciplinary action, of course you have the ability to utilise this. If a player commits dissent towards the referee then he is sin binned.

As for parents, do not deal with it yourself. If they are causing you the problem, inform the coach of the team, it’s their responsibility to sort it out
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And as you also hold the same powers as a qualified match official, you also have the right to suspend the match until the issue is resolved or abandon it. This could include insisting that the coach/club have the offending parent removed from the area.

The tools are all there for you to use if you want them.
 
Joshref said:
As for parents, do not deal with it yourself. If they are causing you the problem, inform the coach of the team, it’s their responsibility to sort it out
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Normally the coach is on the other side of the pitch. Most leagues in my area now insist on there being a matchday delegate - normally a parent in a hi-vis jacket who is responsible for dealing with errant parents. Check the league rules.

Personally, I will address parents directly the first time. I'll explain that they can either keep their opinions of my refereeing to themselves, or they can leave the pitch - and those are their only options. Any more and I'll ask the delegate to remove the parent and explain that the match will be suspended until they are gone. I've only ever done that once.
 
Thanks very much guys for your feedback, it's very helpful.

We don't have a parent rep or anything as such that would manage the parents.

But I've taken your feedback on board and will try to ask a parent if they mind taking on a volunteer role of being the parent supervisor, but they will probably decline due to the nature of certain people, based on past experience.
Thanks again everyone
 
Letthemplay said:
Thanks very much guys for your feedback, it's very helpful.

We don't have a parent rep or anything as such that would manage the parents.

But I've taken your feedback on board and will try to ask a parent if they mind taking on a volunteer role of being the parent supervisor, but they will probably decline due to the nature of certain people, based on past experience.
Thanks again everyone
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If you don't get a parent volunteer, your role in the event of unacceptable behaviour by spectators is to approach the home club coach when the ball is out of play, tell them what you see as the issue, and what you want done.
If the coach cannot or will not deal with it, you have the facility to abandon the game - hopefully that will encourage other supporters to deal with their mouthy mate.
In any case, report the behaviour and the outcome to the league appointments secretary.
 
The opposition team is the only one behaving in this way. All other opposition teams have generally been well behaved. Unfortunately, the opposition parent in question has a reputation outside of football so many are unwilling to confront or remove from the opposition team/club. The game itself is a crucial one too ..the winners will win the cup. If we pull out then opposition win it. Personally, I rather the team not play such an opposition.
 
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