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Kianbuneieoeoey

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Got shouted fu&king sh!t in a game don't know wether it was towards myself or not but issued a yellow card I understand it was out of frustration as I had given a decision against him and the game had alot at stake what section should I put it under
 
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Got shouted fu&king sh!t in a game don't know wether it was towards myself or not but issued a yellow card I understand it was out of frustration as I had given a decision against him and the game had alot at stake what section should I put it under

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( dissent).


tbh, if you are issuing a player with a card, you should know in advance why you are issuing a card.

process, esp for new referees is

Stop game, if not already stopped/ball out of play
isolate player
take name/number
tell player why they are being cautioned ( not a story of the incident, but, the sanction)
show card.
 
Was it UK grassroots? If it was C2 (Dissent) should it have been a sin bin?
 
I knew it was either dissent or foul or abusive Language just wanted to solidify my decision
I don’t want to sound snarky, but you really need to go back and review the caution and send off offenses. You really need to know those (at least the moderately common ones) upside and downside, and know the specific reason you are giving the card when you do. Foul or abusive language is a send off, not a caution. And as noted above, if you’re playing with sin bins, yo. Ed to know it’s dissent at the time so you properly punish.
 
And guys, we should all be aware that "Foul and abusive language" was taken out of the Laws 25 years ago. It is "offensive, insulting or abusive language and/or actions" (OFFINABUS). It's a bit much to criticize the poster for not knowing the list of offenses and then use wrong terminology ourselves.
 
You can book someone for swearing if you believe it is “unsporting” (other or AA depending on the context) - a tough one to sell, because if you deem it to be offensive/insulting/abusive it does fall into the RC domain.

However, even in adult football I do address poor language (C***) mostly, and usually players get it. Usually a word with the player does calm industrial language down. Of course, if it is said towards someone, then they do risk further sanction, but as I said, usually a quick word to them and their skipper does the trick.

Back to the original post, I think that in hindsight it looks like a C2 (dissent) to me. In UK at grassroots level, that would be a 10 minute chill out (sin bin).

I do sometimes ‘not hear’ an immediate knee jerk reaction from players (as frustration and immediate reactions) can make them say something off the cuff (c word aimed at me will always will be bye bye for me); if they have time to think about it and it is a spiral of swearing and moaning, then I’ll deal with it.

Had one on Saturday - gave a penalty (easy decision). Away team disagree. Penalty scores and 2x of their players say well done ref and clap sarcastically. In this instance, it wasn’t a knee jerk reaction, and the dissent was so clear and obvious that they went down to 9 for 10 minutes - both were C2’d…. They had no argument or moaning about it.

I was told by an assessor not to be afraid of sin binning if it is warranted.

Well done for issuing a card for it, but as some have said, take your time when you give a caution to make sure you’re sure exactly what you’re cautioning them for.

I agree with @Anubis with his caution procedure. The only time I’ll do otherwise is:

- a quick red card is needed to diffuse the situation
- sometimes for dissent a quick yc and pointing to the side will give the player a chance to not say anything else to get in trouble.
(Whenever possible though, I always try and take the player to one side, get their name and make sure they know exactly what and why they are being carded - that additional time tends to get heart rates down and calm situations down.

Sorry - I have really rambled!! Oops!
 
The ref match cards you can buy are pretty good. They often have the codes on the back. A couple of times I've whistled, knowing that a player is definitely getting a yellow, I've just not had time to fine tune the best reason for it: Foul tackle? Reckless play? Pushing/pulling? Tripping?

In the walk over I'll get the book out, flip the sheet over and have a think which feels most appropriate and deal with it. By the time I get to that point I'll have a solid reason in law for the card.
 
Also, thinking of it in terms of what fine to issue is not a great approach. As the referee your job isn't fines, suspensions or anything like that. You're responsible for on-field discipline and reporting it, any consequences of that report aren't anything to do with you. And you definitely shouldn't be considering the fines as part of your decision-making process.
 
Back to the original post, I think that in hindsight it looks like a C2 (dissent) to me. In UK at grassroots level, that would be a 10 minute chill out (sin bin).
As a degree of pedantry looks to be creeping into this thread I have to point out that sin bins are not routinely used at any level in Scotland.
 
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