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45m40s Start of second half Ederson shanks a kick from his own penalty area, in open play, that hits Tierney in the centre circle preventing Fabinho taking possession.
Tierney runs back and throws the ball to Ederson in his own box...
 
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Er.... at risk of the fans forum strictures, apart from a penalty given early in the season against Manchester City at Stoke, I can't recall any others...
Well, you do always go way overboard with the whole Man City conspiracy stuff... but I'll give you some latitude today ;)
Good game. Sterling was pants. I'd probably melt if ever I got into Tierney's breaches too TBH. Which I won't, in this life anyway
 
If there was a foul on Foden it was the tap on his ankle and that was definitely outside the area. Any potential push on him after was minimal and not a foul for me.

The Milner one is interesting. My immediate reaction was that Henderson had made the foul, something shared by Neville and Tyler, and I suspect that is what Tierney gave. If he did penalise Milner then it had to be a caution. That said, whether right or wrong, Guardiola can't behave like that and was very lucky to get yellow as opposed to red.
 
If there was a foul on Foden it was the tap on his ankle and that was definitely outside the area. Any potential push on him after was minimal and not a foul for me.

The Milner one is interesting. My immediate reaction was that Henderson had made the foul, something shared by Neville and Tyler, and I suspect that is what Tierney gave. If he did penalise Milner then it had to be a caution. That said, whether right or wrong, Guardiola can't behave like that and was very lucky to get yellow as opposed to red.
Agree with this completely. I can see the case for them both being wrong decisions, but I don't see either as obvious horrific mistakes. And Pep's reaction was wild and didn't stop - could have been red by the time he got the yellow, and could have got another yellow for carrying on after.
 
Because if VAR decides it's outside the area, it's not a penalty incident so they wouldn't even call a foul let alone DOGSO.
um, wrong. A send off is also a reviewable event. The VAR had two jobs on that play—determine if there was a clear error in not calling a foul in the PA for a PK and determine if there was a clear error by not calling a fouls that would be DOGSO.
 
Pep is not a happy bunny and justifiably so...

Is Tierney out of his depth, has he bottled red carding a Liverpool player at Anfield or just following the mantra of "keep it 11v11 in a high profile televised game for entertainment purposes"?
Either way it was pretty poor. If he gave the foul for Henderson then VAR should have assisted and Milner's actions clearly would have garnered a yellow under any other circumstances.
 
Last touch by a player in the PA, correct call 👉
I think so, too, but the language could be more clear on this particular play. Law 9 says:

• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
• the ball was in the penalty area or
the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official

i think IFAB means last touch “by a player,“ which makes the R right on this play, but I wish they had those words in there to make it clear
 
I think so, too, but the language could be more clear on this particular play. Law 9 says:

• The ball is dropped for the defending team goalkeeper in their penalty area if, when play was stopped:
• the ball was in the penalty area or
the last touch of the ball was in the penalty area
• In all other cases, the referee drops the ball for one player of the team that last touched the ball at the position where it last touched a player, an outside agent or, as outlined in Law 9.1, a match official

i think IFAB means last touch “by a player,“ which makes the R right on this play, but I wish they had those words in there to make it clear
If it was the last touch by an official in the PA the outcome would still be a dropped ball for the GK.
 
45m40s Start of second half Ederson shanks a kick from his own penalty area, in open play, that hits Tierney in the centre circle preventing Fabinho taking possession.
Tierney runs back and throws the ball to Ederson in his own box...
If we want to be picky about this where the ball was dropped was not the issue, the fact that game was stopped was. None of the dropped ball conditions were met.
 
Ok I am going to balance out the incidents discussed here.
1. In opposed to Milner's foul, this from Walker is a similar incident. A careless foul followed by what seems to be a reckless kick. I think Tierney managed it well but any thoughts on a caution for Walker here.


2. Calncelo plays the ball but then stums on Sala's foot. To my surprise Sala bounces up immediately and doesn't appeal but reckless for me.

 
I say this as a referee and not as a fan of either team in this game (I'm a Chelsea fan in full disclosure) - That foul on Milner HAS to be a second caution. It's stopping a promising attack (i.e. USB). It's late and reckless. It just has to be a second caution. I realize there's a directive (spoken or unspoken) to keep games 11 v 11, but that just has to be a caution. My son and I were watching the game together, and he called caution even before I did.
 
Having seen the two incidents, there is no doubt that the referee got them both wrong. I don't understand why VAR did not review the penalty, and the referee has bottled the second yellow for Milner because of where he was. It's difficult, but referees are paid to make the tough decisions at places like Anfield.
 
Having seen the two incidents, there is no doubt that the referee got them both wrong. I don't understand why VAR did not review the penalty, and the referee has bottled the second yellow for Milner because of where he was. It's difficult, but referees are paid to make the tough decisions at places like Anfield.
The pen is outside the box isn't it? So var doesn't get involved (unless they think its dogso or sfp) which it isn't
 
If there was a foul on Foden it was the tap on his ankle and that was definitely outside the area. Any potential push on him after was minimal and not a foul for me.

The Milner one is interesting. My immediate reaction was that Henderson had made the foul, something shared by Neville and Tyler, and I suspect that is what Tierney gave. If he did penalise Milner then it had to be a caution. That said, whether right or wrong, Guardiola can't behave like that and was very lucky to get yellow as opposed to red.
Yes, I thought he gave the foul by Henderson. Maybe he should have animated that when making his decision.
 
Agree with this completely. I can see the case for them both being wrong decisions, but I don't see either as obvious horrific mistakes. And Pep's reaction was wild and didn't stop - could have been red by the time he got the yellow, and could have got another yellow for carrying on after.
Micah Richards analysis after the game was also way over the top. Not sure pundits can be yellow carded!
 
Reflecting on the game this morning (with the blue tinted specs as off as I can get them), I think there are 3 KMIs yesterday, all of which Paul Tierney got wrong:
- First half penalty/DOGSO - it's a clear foul by Milner and whether it's a penalty and a yellow or a FK and DOGSO red, he simply has to be spotting that.
- Milner second half - that has to be a second yellow.
- Bernardo second half - haven't been able to find a clip and haven't really seen it mentioned, but Bernardo committed a foul later on in the second half when already on a yellow that should have seen him go off (SPA or reckless challenge, take your pick); we all expected it watching the game and I suspect the non-send off of Milner played a role in the lack of second yellow for Bernardo.

I also think it's pretty poor that Pep was allowed to get away with the histrionics and tantrum on the touchline (however justified you may think it was). It's not new and Tierney certainly won't be the last ref to ignore it, but that kind of stuff is why we all have to put up with that type of behaviour every week.

I stand by my statement that Tierney was out of this depth. He doesn't have much big game experience and I think he bottled, for want of a better word, the decisions rather than making unpopular but correct ones. I also think there's a wider discussion around how many refs we actually have that are capable of handling the big games? Oliver, Taylor, Atkinson (and maybe Dean) aside, I think there's a concerning lack of top quality referees in the PL and it really shows in games like yesterday.
 
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