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Surely it’s a case of Serious foul play: ‘Any player who lunges at an opponent in challenging for the ball from the front, from the side or from behind using one or both legs, with excessive force or endangers the safety of an opponent is guilty of serious foul play’
 
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Have seen a slow he actually indicates a FK to LPool.
Having now see thay It's also a nailed on red card. 2 footed lunge, both feet off floor, from behind..
Back to my original point. Why is he discussing it the VAR before he's shown a card?
 
When we’ve done training courses with the FA, they’ve frequently used the ‘scissor motion’ as an example of SFP when making a challenge from behind. This is exactly the sort of tackle they talk about. If you have to both jump and go through the back of the attacker to win the ball, then it’s not there to be won
 
Back to my original point. Why is he discussing it the VAR before he's shown a card?

You don't know he was speaking to VAR, he could have been talking to his assistants and 4th official. I'm pretty sure 4th official, Andy Madley, who had by far the best view of it, has told him it was a foul and to go red.

Would also add having seen the replay that Sky showed, cutting it before the injury, Struijk was definitely off the floor with both feet. His trailing leg has then smashed into Elliott's standing leg, there is a lot of force in that challenge and it is easy to see how the injury has happened. Red was the correct decision, however they managed to come to it.
 
You don't know he was speaking to VAR, he could have been talking to his assistants and 4th official. I'm pretty sure 4th official, Andy Madley, who had by far the best view of it, has told him it was a foul and to go red.

Would also add having seen the replay that Sky showed, cutting it before the injury, Struijk was definitely off the floor with both feet. His trailing leg has then smashed into Elliott's standing leg, there is a lot of force in that challenge and it is easy to see how the injury has happened. Red was the correct decision, however they managed to come to it.
The broadcaster can hear the discussion with VAR, and indicated he was talking to them. Haven't commented on the decision, there is a process let's use it.
 
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The broadcaster can hear the discussion with VAR, and indicated he was talking to them. Haven't commented on the decision, there is a process let's use it.
But that would mean they have access to all of the referee comms as they are all on the same link...
 
The broadcaster can hear the discussion with VAR, and indicated he was talking to them. Haven't commented on the decision, there is a process let's use it.
Judging by the absolute nonsense commentators spit out during games, there’s absolutely no way they can hear what referees are saying. They probably have somebody on their own feed relaying comms following VAR discussions
 
Judging by the absolute nonsense commentators spit out during games, there’s absolutely no way they can hear what referees are saying. They probably have somebody on their own feed relaying comms following VAR discussions
Yes, it won't be the commentators listening in to the VAR feed. A member of the production staff presumably passes on the information.

Watching on TV you know what is being reviewed by VAR well before you find out at the stadium.
 
See alot of these types of challenges these days that don't end up with injury thankfully. You cant slide tackle from behind now without almost certainly giving a foul away and a yellow card. So we see this technique where players jump in front of the attacker (from behind) and hook their legs round to win the ball. The issue is one if the attackers legs is almost certain to be planted when this happens.
 
IMO it shows why we've gone too far in allowing tackles from behind. If you go in from behind and make contact with the opponent, we can't be saying "he got the ball no foul". It was a defender facing his own goal at the half way line. Why are we allowing challenges like that to go at all levels of the game?!?!?!
 
This isn't a 2 footed tackle or a scissor tackle. Nor is the tackle being "from behind" relevant.
This was a lunge. Red card. Very unlucky it ended the way it did.
Simialar tackles will go unpunished next week though.
 
IMO it shows why we've gone too far in allowing tackles from behind. If you go in from behind and make contact with the opponent, we can't be saying "he got the ball no foul". It was a defender facing his own goal at the half way line. Why are we allowing challenges like that to go at all levels of the game?!?!?!

Players will always attempt to win the ball back, thats the game. What we have is a different technique that's evolved since the outlawing of slide tackles directly from behind, where the man and ball was taking (which was a very welcome change).
 
When I saw it live on TV it didn’t look like a red card to me.

But having seen some partial replays (stopping before the injury occurs) I can see why a red was given.
 
I don't think he had two feet off the ground though and I'm sure a referee should not be influenced by the injury hence Sons red card was overturned. As I say a reckless tackle which would be a yellow which causes a serious injury should be a red card, its hard to say whether this would class as that as I don't think many referees would whistle that as a foul.
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Which part of him is on the ground?
 
Another angle. Really poor challenge
 

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He's completely misjudged the tackle - his leading foot goes over the ball. If he had committed to it a yard earlier then he'd have probably won the ball cleanly, Elliott wouldn't have ended up injured, and no-one would be talking about it.
 
He's completely misjudged the tackle - his leading foot goes over the ball. If he had committed to it a yard earlier then he'd have probably won the ball cleanly, Elliott wouldn't have ended up injured, and no-one would be talking about it.
So it's a really poor challenge then, isn't it?
You're probably right in your assertion, but the fact is he wasn't a yard earlier, he didn't win the ball cleanly and Elliott is seriously injured so we are talking about it 😎
 
So it's a really poor challenge then, isn't it?
You're probably right in your assertion, but the fact is he wasn't a yard earlier, he didn't win the ball cleanly and Elliott is seriously injured so we are talking about it 😎
Oh don't get me wrong, I'm 100% in the red card camp 😂
 
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