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wycombe wanderers vs peterborough - red card

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msportstars

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Hi everyone,

There is a red card in this game within the first 20mins, if you watch the link below its the first bit of action it shows.

My puzzle is how can this be given due to how far the ref is away, and is there any contact in the push let alone the player not even really being in a DOGSO?

 
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A little baffled by your comment about the player not being in a DOGSO...this is a very obvious goal scoring opportunity. The only question is whether the hand in the back was enough to disrupt the attacker's balance. And the way he looks round immediately at ref makes me feel it certainly did.
 
Ganajin said:
A little baffled by your comment about the player not being in a DOGSO...this is a very obvious goal scoring opportunity. The only question is whether the hand in the back was enough to disrupt the attacker's balance. And the way he looks round immediately at ref makes me feel it certainly did.
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I think it's a good spot by the AR, as the push was on the ref's blind side. Good team work
 
Baffled, well yes as I cannot say thats an obvious chance for a goal, it looks too high and the player is already struggling to get there.
 
msportstars said:
Baffled, well yes as I cannot say thats an obvious chance for a goal, it looks too high and the player is already struggling to get there.
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Attacker would've made the connection with ball every single time, how you can even begin to doubt whether he would is beyond me.
 
msportstars said:
Thanks for your feedback but I always though DOGSO had to be obvious regardless of the distance from goal.
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For Dogso law states:
The following must be considered:
• distance between the offence and the goal
• general direction of the play
• likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball
• location and number of defenders

We can argue as to whether we believe a foul has been committed, or not, however, once you've decided it has been this ticks all of the DOGSO criteria as detailed above.
 
So if thats the case how can you say that player is ticking the third point?
Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball?!
 
msportstars said:
So if thats the case how can you say that player is ticking the third point?
Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball?!
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The law says we have to "consider" - we don't have to mathematically prove.
You can try to to argue that he might have mistimed his jump to head it into an open goal. Nothing in football is certain.
In this case points 1,2 and 4 are so overwhelmingly 100% fulfilled that, even if the ball was another yard or two higher, if it's foul, and even if Crouchy would struggle to get to it, it's still going to be DOGSO red.

Referees also have to consider the overall context and what football expects - even if to some (fans) it seems harsh (like the Auba tackle or Luiz RC this week). Open goal, in the goal area, foul - (nearly) everyone expects a red card. You can try to use the laws to squirm out of a difficult decision but this is nailed on!
 
msportstars said:
So if thats the case how can you say that player is ticking the third point?
Likelihood of keeping or gaining control of the ball?!
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This seems to me to be easily covered. Firstly he only needs to GAIN control in this case, and most people would say that he has a pretty reasonable chance of doing this. It is by no means certain, but then you must notice it does not say we need to be sure he will DEFINITELY gain control., just has to be reasonably LIKELY he will (the meaning of likelihood).
 
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