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Shelvey goal vs Sheff Utd

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Personally I much prefer the PL's policy than the one in the CL/WWC, etc. where hte assistants wait for ages even though a player was two yards offside. At least in the PL the assistants are stillseen to be actively making a decision and indicating the most likely outcome.

Players will have to learn to play to the whislte and I'm sure most will after such an example.
 
onthebrink said:
Personally I much prefer the PL's policy than the one in the CL/WWC, etc. where hte assistants wait for ages even though a player was two yards offside. At least in the PL the assistants are stillseen to be actively making a decision and indicating the most likely outcome.
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I prefer if the Ar's got it right. Clear offside or no goal scoring opportunity, flag quickly. Close call and goal scoring opportunity, delay flag. Can't get much simpler.
onthebrink said:
Players will have to learn to play to the whislte
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How about AR's learning when to flag and when not to? It shouldn't be too hard for AR's with the skill at levels VAR is used. They get training for this.
 
PL assistants are told to flag early. There wasn't a clear goal-scoring opportunity anyway at the point when Carroll jumped for the flick-on.

I've no problem at all with what the officials did last night.
 
onthebrink said:
PL assistants are told to flag early. There wasn't a clear goal-scoring opportunity anyway at the point when Carroll jumped for the flick-on.

I've no problem at all with what the officials did last night.
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We thought he was booking Shelvey! It’s ruining football, period!
 
The AR made a mistake but the referee clearly waves it away and doesn’t whistle. There’s different scenarios in which the AR flags quickly or late, but the one consistency is the game stops when the whistle goes. Sheffield and Wilder can blame VAR all they want but they are just trying to use it as an excuse of their poor defending and concentration
 
May have heard a whisper that AR flagged and realised he’d dropped a bollock and immediately radio’d it to Atwell.
 
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Why would he book Shelvey when play was still active?
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We saw the flag, as did everyone else and wrongly assumed it was just more time wasting. Correct decision but what a f’kin mess VAR has become. Nobody has a clue what’s happening including the Lino! 😂
 
There needs to be a balancing act. UEFA referees are keeping the flag down until the attack ends even when the offside player is in the next postcode, whereas PL assistants, who I believe are supposed to keep it down if they have any real doubt, are flagging when a player is millimetres off, or as in last night's case not off at all.

That said, I believe the PL clubs were consulted on this approach and were in favour as they wanted to keep delays to as little as possible, so they have got what they asked for. And they were definitely told that it would happen this way, so if they haven't passed the play to the whistle message to their coaches and players then they are the only ones to blame.
 
Despite the advances in Sports Science and so on, some of the people involved in football are still essentially dinosaurs. It wouldn't surprise me if most clubs haven't even discussed this scenario, despite it being inevitable. Henderson behaved according to life before VAR and didn't react in a manner that he'd been trained for. The shambles cost the Blades the game because it put the whole stadium on the canvas
I want to see the best football team win, so despite being a beneficiary Geordie on this occasion, I didn't like what happened. I like football, I don't like nonsense and was left feeling soiled by the manner of the win
 
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Big Cat said:
Despite the advances in Sports Science and so on, some of the people involved in football are still essentially dinosaurs. It wouldn't surprise me if most clubs haven't even discussed this scenario, despite it being inevitable. Henderson behaved according to life before VAR and didn't react in a manner that he'd been trained for. The shambles cost the Blades the game because it put the whole stadium on the canvas
I want to see the best football team win, so despite being a beneficiary Geordie on this occasion, I didn't like what happened. I like football, I don't like nonsense and was left feeling soiled by the manner of the win
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But as I said before, this has happened a few times in the past where the assistant has signalled and the referee has ruled that the signal was wrong and overruled it, usually because the touch came off a defender. That is no different to this situation, if you don't play to the whistle you are in serious trouble.
 
I sometimes think stopping is almost like the attacker who grabs the ball--trying to force the whistle.

But I also understand the natural reaction of players to stop--wave downs in professional games are so rare (at least until the arcane era of PL doing its own thing re VAR).
 
RustyRef said:
But as I said before, this has happened a few times in the past where the assistant has signalled and the referee has ruled that the signal was wrong and overruled it, usually because the touch came off a defender. That is no different to this situation, if you don't play to the whistle you are in serious trouble.
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Am i in disagreement? Maybe i am to some extent because there is major discourse between referee and player mentality. That's what i'm indicating. Players inferiority to us, as many refs would have it.
This incident was an exceptional occurance of the topic in conversation btw
I have sympathy for footballers. The simple game and all that. They may be populated by bright individuals, but they don't do handbrake turns in group formation. Nor do refs
 
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