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A (hopefully) interesting development in the Championship.

Fed up with the increasing frequency players stay down to get the game halted, Bristol City have emailed the other 23 clubs in the league stating that they will NOT ever kick the ball out if a player goes down.

Manager said 'Sometimes its genuine, sometimes its not. We want the referee to manage it'

So the poor old referee has to make an instant judgement whilst trying to referee the match.

Thoughts and any ideas on how to cut out this gamesmanship/cheating?
 
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The problem here is referees aren’t physios and whilst players do play act, it can be tough to decide to play on assuming they are faking only to find they’ve broken their leg. I don’t have an answer to how it can be helped but I can see why Bristol City have taken this approach.
 
The referee is more accountable for player safety than the opposition players because players are not accountable at all. The paradoxical good will players adopt in response to an opponent cheating has always puzzled me. I remember FIFA making an effort in one of the World Cups to influence players to leave it to the ref, but it was just another whim. If IFAB got tough on cheating in general, this knock-on affect would disappear
It's a novel approach by Bristol City and fair enough imo
 
This is just them making use of the new dropped ball law. They know they will get it back in a far better position than if they let the opponent hoof it back to their keeper.
 
JamesL said:
This is just them making use of the new dropped ball law. They know they will get it back in a far better position than if they let the opponent hoof it back to their keeper.
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I'm sure this DB law change is a can of worms. For example, player goes down badly injured in their defensive half, but the ref only notices a moment later by which point his team mate is in possession on the edge of the opposition PA. Ref blows up
Yes the attacking team would argue the DB 19 yards out is fair, but the ref is no longer listening because the defensive team have lynched him for not stopping earlier (or later, in which case the injured player might be in a v bad way)
Is my crystal ball playing up or what?
 
That’s funny, they will play on for that yet stop defending when Leeds United are attacking on the weekend! 🤥
 
Big Cat said:
I'm sure this DB law change is a can of worms. For example, player goes down badly injured in their defensive half, but the ref only notices a moment later by which point his team mate is in possession on the edge of the opposition PA. Ref blows up
Yes the attacking team would argue the DB 19 yards out is fair, but the ref is no longer listening because the defensive team have lynched him for not stopping earlier (or later, in which case the injured player might be in a v bad way)
Is my crystal ball playing up or what?
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The real blow up is going to be if that attacker makes it into the PA first . . . in which case the DB goes to the other team . . .
 
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That "all DBs in the PA go to the GK" is another reason for Rs to stay the heck out of the PA unless there is a really, really good reason to be in there.
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That's fine your neck of the pond. We are encouraged to follow the attack into the PA here when required -seems to serve us well. Of course you don't go jumping around in the goal area but following in at the right times can be the deal clincher when selling the penalty
 
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JamesL said:
That's fine your neck of the pond. We are encouraged to follow the attack into the PA here when required -seems to serve us well. Of course you don't go jumping around in the goal area but following in at the right times can be the deal clincher when selling the penalty
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But it shouldn't be..............if you see it from outside the area where's the problem.....VAR can always come to the rescue...Not!
 
Mintyref said:
But it shouldn't be..............if you see it from outside the area where's the problem.....VAR can always come to the rescue...Not!
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It's not always easy to see from outside the penalty area. The penalty area is not a no go area. Never has been. Its easy to go in and not get hit. Its about doing it sensibly or as the guidance puts it "when necessary".
To say stay out because you might have to give a dropped ball is not great advice to someone looking to progress in the English System. Whether you agree or disagree this is the guidance and having followed it I personally approve.
 
JamesL said:
It's not always easy to see from outside the penalty area. The penalty area is not a no go area. Never has been. Its easy to go in and not get hit. Its about doing it sensibly or as the guidance puts it "when necessary".
To say stay out because you might have to give a dropped ball is not great advice to someone looking to progress in the English System. Whether you agree or disagree this is the guidance and having followed it I personally approve.
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Point is that we need to be in the correct position, sometimes close sometimes not....you can never be sure you're in the right place...the lawmakers don't seem to understand this and interfere in something that was working absolutely fine.......perhaps if they could develop some balls that could be used to manage both players and clubs our lives in the lower echelons would be better
 
JamesL said:
That's fine your neck of the pond. We are encouraged to follow the attack into the PA here when required -seems to serve us well. Of course you don't go jumping around in the goal area but following in at the right times can be the deal clincher when selling the penalty
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You mean when there's a really good reason to be in there? Like I said? (OK, I said really, really good reason, which was tilting things more to make a point--the new law makes creates a new and potentially worse issue if we get hit than there used to be. The point I was exaggerating (probably too much) to make is that we have to be especially careful there because of the potential consequences. We should, IMO, resist being in there without a good reason.)
 
JamesL said:
It's not always easy to see from outside the penalty area. The penalty area is not a no go area. Never has been. Its easy to go in and not get hit. Its about doing it sensibly or as the guidance puts it "when necessary".
To say stay out because you might have to give a dropped ball is not great advice to someone looking to progress in the English System. Whether you agree or disagree this is the guidance and havi.
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There was PGMO advice a few years ago that it was a no go area in open play, that filtered down the syste.
PGMO advice changed and the same referees/coaches started saying ‘penetrate the penalty area’.
 
JamesL said:
This is just them making use of the new dropped ball law. They know they will get it back in a far better position than if they let the opponent hoof it back to their keeper.
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Nice to see I am not the only cynic on this forum :) (some call it realist) .
 
I watched the Leeds game live and at match speed it wasn’t a foul, all this kerfuffle over nothing. Bristol City are right, play on, leave it to the refs...
 
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