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PL Referees £s

Ciley Myrus said:
as with lots of things, folk are allowed their own say on it.
My own view is 80k is more than enough, to say a EPL ref for example should have a bigger salary than the PM is maybe ok in some worlds, but not mine
80k is not crumbs. Thats insulting anyone who earns less than that surely.
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Kinnock earns more than the PM. What does he do apart from get driven to meetings and business lunches in a limo and sign meaningless EU documents?
Horses for courses mate. The world ain't fair, and neither is what football pays it's top referees.
 
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Kes said:
Kinnock earns more than the PM. What does he do apart from get driven to meetings and business lunches in a limo and sign meaningless EU documents?
Horses for courses mate. The world ain't fair, and neither is what football pays it's top referees.
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Agreed , my view is still 80k to be the fittest that you can and walk out in europes finest stadia with the finest players is too much!
 
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Yep, clubs should be ashamed of themselves for paying players like Ozil and Sanchez over 300K a week. That is an insult to the rest of us who earn less than 2K a week. Clubs should just pay all the players 80K annual salary (and keep the rest for themselves?).

Unfortunately that is not the way it works. Businesses doesn't run on sentiment. And make no mistake football at the top is a business. There is loads of money being made. Its a huge pie. If someone gets less money, someone else is getting more. I, as a referee, would like more of that huge pie go to the referees. If any of my esteemed colleagues don't agree with me, so be it.
 
Average PL player salary = £2.6m
That means referees (if the £80k is correct) earn 3% that of the average player in the Premier League. Three percent.

@Ciley Myrus you say how can detecting a free kick pay more than the PM, well why can Pogba kick a ball for £15,000,000 a year?

Because football is it's own ecosystem. You can't compare to other jobs.

It's about getting a fair slice of the pie, and 3% is not fair. A top referee that has dedicated his life to getting to the top and undergoes insane negative scrutiny earns 0.5% of what Pogba does. Fair?
 
Ciley Myrus said:
There is no doubt Pogba is over paid!

Anyone on here not able to live cosy on 80k?

The rest, greed
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There's a fantastic amount of arguing that 'Black is Black' and 'White is White' on this thread! @Ciley Myrus , like you I would consider it an amazing privilege to be allowed to referee top flight football matches and get well paid for it. And £80K is a very decent amount of money, though obviously it pales into insignificance versus the player's wages. However, it is equally true (as @one says) that increasing the financial rewards for being a Premier League official would, over time, increase the attractiveness of the profession, broaden the talent pool and (most likely) contribute to raising overall standards. Any Premier League player, manager or fan criticising the standard of refereeing and yet not supporting an increase in the financial rewards available to officials is being very blinkered IMO
 
I just dont feel refereeing should be promoted as financial over fulfillment, be paid handsomely for the task in hand, by all means, are we vital cogs in the wheel, without doubt, carry away pots of gold into the night, not for me
Would any of us be even remotely interested in cleaning the bus station toilets, as I saw an ad where they have trebled the salary to make it more attractive.......

I refuse to accept any link between increased payments to referees, and performances. On that basis, it rings true that if if we took 2 average pub league refs this weekend yet one got paid £100 and the other £40, they would both turn in the same level of performance as they always do.

i find a clamber for an increase even more ludicrous when you consider the man in the middle does not even have to get things right these days, as someone in his ear will correct the wrong decision for him !! The function of a top EPL ref is being reduced to whistle blowing for the clearest of fouls which any average referee could do, then administering whatever sanction (or pk etc) that someone watching the game in the control center asks him to do !!

going into refereeing for the cash is the wrong motive, although without doubt its a motive which will inspire someone.

we are not the star of the show, nobody buys a ST to see the ref, we are the necessary last piece in the match day jigsaw, we should give our calls to best of our ability and get up the road content we were as neutral and fair as we could be
if it takes a bullion bar for us to do these things, then as referee's we become just another pound sign on the football lottery
 
Ciley Myrus said:
I just dont feel refereeing should be promoted as financial over fulfillment, be paid handsomely for the task in hand, by all means, are we vital cogs in the wheel, without doubt, carry away pots of gold into the night, not for me
Would any of us be even remotely interested in cleaning the bus station toilets, as I saw an ad where they have trebled the salary to make it more attractive.......

I refuse to accept any link between increased payments to referees, and performances. On that basis, it rings true that if if we took 2 average pub league refs this weekend yet one got paid £100 and the other £40, they would both turn in the same level of performance as they always do.

i find a clamber for an increase even more ludicrous when you consider the man in the middle does not even have to get things right these days, as someone in his ear will correct the wrong decision for him !! The function of a top EPL ref is being reduced to whistle blowing for the clearest of fouls which any average referee could do, then administering whatever sanction (or pk etc) that someone watching the game in the control center asks him to do !!

going into refereeing for the cash is the wrong motive, although without doubt its a motive which will inspire someone.

we are not the star of the show, nobody buys a ST to see the ref, we are the necessary last piece in the match day jigsaw, we should give our calls to best of our ability and get up the road content we were as neutral and fair as we could be
if it takes a bullion bar for us to do these things, then as referee's we become just another pound sign on the football lottery
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Miley, you ok, complete sense, check those meds😂
 
My view is that PL refs should be paid quite a bit more; but within reason
Once someone is extremely wealthy, it's just another stick to beat them with
Regarding elite athletes and turbo charged refereeing scholarships, I doubt this would raise the standard much above today's best referees
I happen to think the reason all referees are w*nkers, is because it's an impossible job that no individual can master (yet that doesn't stop us trying)
 
Big Cat said:
My view is that PL refs should be paid quite a bit more; but within reason
Once someone is extremely wealthy, it's just another stick to beat them with
Regarding elite athletes and turbo charged refereeing scholarships, I doubt this would raise the standard much above today's best referees
I happen to think the reason all referees are w*nkers, is because it's an impossible job that no individual can master (yet that doesn't stop us trying)
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Not far off it, hence why I said we hear weekly about ex players and current managers saying, " they have a tough job and i would not do it"
You need to have something inside you to get out there at ANY level and do what we do, the lure of money is not one of them
 
one said:
That sort of pay will make the field extremely competitive (a completely new level to what it is right now) and attract a whole new generation of intellectual athletes into the the trade.
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I'm trying to imagine the Cristiano Ronaldo of referees, ripping off his shirt in the World Cup final after sending someone off and displaying his marvellous six pack.

Imagine a referee as obsessive as he is with fitness, combined with Collina's apparent obsessiveness around tactics. He would be insane... (For those who don't know, Collina's pre-match briefings apparently included both team's formation, tactical set up, method of play and he could apparently tell you when they'd do a sub, who it would likely be and at what time, including all the variations they'd go through depending on who scored first etc... Which is insane to me, as I'm content just looking at the last result online and the league table. :p)
 
Ciley Myrus said:
refereeing is a privilege. To be chosen to do it at that level for me, would be an honour. The money would be secondary.
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The FA are relying on that attitude to pay you less than they should.
Top flight refereeing is a JOB!
These guys weren't chosen at random, they put in years of work and sacrifice and deserved to be paid the market rate for the job, They currently aren't because we undervalue ourselves and refs settle for £80k.
I amount of bulls**t I was expected to put up with in the forces due to the "honour" of being there. Worked when I was 21, no longer am I that naive
 
Think its about what level of renumeration is 'appropriate'

If I was going to be paid £2.50 on Sunday instead of £25, would my performance be 10 times worse? - no.

However I'm guessing next week the appointments officer might have a 'little' difficulty getting any volunteers for a similar fee.

I do take Ciley's point however, that if next week I was offered £50 my performance won't be twice as good.

However in that case the same appointments officer would get a bigger pool to choose from, so in time, standard would go up.

Does that logic apply to PL - I'm sitting on the fence - not at all sure it would - but do think they should be paid more given the £s in the game.
 
If the match fee in my league went up to £50 the standard would go up within a season, no doubt
It'd take 10 years or so to see the same effect in the EPL but the standard would go up. It just couldn't fail to.
Not that I care. It's more about paying a fair salary than improving standards.
Agents, players, chairmen, managers, coaches are making a FORTUNE from the game and the sad tosser in the black should just be happy with some crumbs
 
deusex said:
If the match fee in my league went up to £50 the standard would go up within a season, no doubt
It'd take 10 years or so to see the same effect in the EPL but the standard would go up. It just couldn't fail to.
Not that I care. It's more about paying a fair salary than improving standards.
Agents, players, chairmen, managers, coaches are making a FORTUNE from the game and the sad tosser in the black should just be happy with some crumbs
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Nonsense, match fee 20 quid, 40 quid or 50 quid, any ref worthy of the badge turns in the best performance that they can
 
80k a year sounds like a lot to most people but a PL ref has a working life of ... 20 years? No job security. Death threats.

If being a referee were a realistic career option, and by that I mean having professional referees much lower down the leagues, and a reasonable pension - something the professional game could easily afford - we would get much, much better referees at the top level because far more people would consider it.
 
deusex said:
The FA are relying on that attitude to pay you less than they should.
Top flight refereeing is a JOB!
These guys weren't chosen at random, they put in years of work and sacrifice and deserved to be paid the market rate for the job, They currently aren't because we undervalue ourselves and refs settle for £80k.
I amount of bulls**t I was expected to put up with in the forces due to the "honour" of being there. Worked when I was 21, no longer am I that naive
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My attitude, is called real life. 80k is exceptional. Suppose it depends what you earn right now but its prob 3 times most folks salary who will read this post
And whilst we hit the snooze button at 6am 5 times a week then clock watch till commute home time and fall asleep in works training, THEN go home to work out and spend all weekend at footy just to make ends meet, I defy anybody reading this to say, if offered, they would not be a premiership ref for 50k
 
Trip said:
80k a year sounds like a lot to most people but a PL ref has a working life of ... 20 years? No job security. Death threats.

If being a referee were a realistic career option, and by that I mean having professional referees much lower down the leagues, and a reasonable pension - something the professional game could easily afford - we would get much, much better referees at the top level because far more people would consider it.
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80k times 20 is 1.6 million.
if you are seriously saying you would rather work 40 years at 40k a year (and come on, that would mean earning 40k from age 20 to 60, NOT HAPPENING), to come away with the same total, your deluded.
 
Ciley Myrus said:
80k times 20 is 1.6 million.
if you are seriously saying you would rather work 40 years at 40k a year (and come on, that would mean earning 40k from age 20 to 60, NOT HAPPENING), to come away with the same total, your deluded.
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You don't come away with the same total, you come away with more.

In a 45 year career you'd only have to average about 30k to earn the same as a PL referee. The UK average male full-time salary is £39k so PL referees earn less than the average man, and the average man has job security, legal recourse, and his family don't get threatened.

It might also be true that men with higher earnings potential might also be more suited to the kinds of pressures elite level refereeing presents.
 
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