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If referees are using sin bins for 'dissent' after been told to FO then I'm really glad that I've hung my whistle up.

These referees need to grow a pair and do the correct thing as per the LOTG....
 
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If referees are using sin bins for 'dissent' after been told to FO then I'm really glad that I've hung my whistle up.

These referees need to grow a pair and do the correct thing as per the LOTG....

Encourage referees to deal with dissent and SFP properly and back them to the hill when they do. Sin bins in OA football are just another way of tolerating this behaviour and therefore accepting by trying to manage it artificially. Those coloured things in your pocket are the correct tools for the job. I understand it's difficult for young refs, or indeed any refs, to apply the laws when so many others don't but don't lower your standards. Any OFFINABUS today and the cherry will be out, any standard dissent and the lemon will be out as stipulated in the LOTG and this will be made very clear at the first sign of any of this.
 
I can remember 4 cautions I received for dissent as a player (and I was pretty good at disagreeing without swearing and trying to influence the next decision!). I deserved every one of them (and there was probably more) despite never being OFFINABUS. Played in many games where team mates have used OFFINABUS against a ref and despite what managers and players say to the ref during the match, afterwards in the changing room/pub, I can assure you that the blame is always put on the player. I've had managers give refs rockets for the rest of the game for sending a player off but afterwards they always blame the player as sense prevailed given a bit of time even in football!
 
This is such a great post and thanks so much for sharing it. I have forwarded this post to my fellow referees overseas here. And I know I will not shock any of you at all that but the same thing is happening here, minus the most serious assaults that you have mentioned but the dissent and referee abuse have only increased since I have been around. I can only hope to play my small role in all of this. Great post again and I am so glad to hear that referees are taking a stand and making a change.
 
This is such a great post and thanks so much for sharing it. I have forwarded this post to my fellow referees overseas here. And I know I will not shock any of you at all that but the same thing is happening here, minus the most serious assaults that you have mentioned but the dissent and referee abuse have only increased since I have been around. I can only hope to play my small role in all of this. Great post again and I am so glad to hear that referees are taking a stand and making a change.
If you need some help in showing the Hawian Yoof how to go on I’m sure our Hull correspondent will pop over now he’s got some spare time after retirement. Is it still 25p per mile??? 😂
 
Shef Id personally work overtime to fly his okole out here to run some lines, drink some cold coconuts, frolick on the beaches and wear out your cards.....lol. And yes it is! And i also may be able to supply some fresh poke but let me warn you, some of these Hawaiian fans are quite large and imposing individuals haha.
 
Just my two cents on it.

It's weird how the players who bother me aren't the ones hurling abuse at me.

I've sent a few players off in my time calling me many things under the sun. However the strange thing is, most of those players have come back to apologise to me (and not your usual "don't put that card through ref," I felt like they were genuine apologies).

The ones that usually bother me at the quiet ones, those are the only times I've felt intimidated by players, when they don't necessarily say or do anything 'wrong' but carry a denmenor about them that they're out to hurt people on a Sunday or Saturday, or go into a game with the intention of doing whatever they want with no regard for the 21 other players playing the game.

I once had a player, when I called him over to dismiss him, he didn't even say a word, just advanced on me with a threatening stare, getting so close I had to take a few steps back.

Compare that to a few weeks later where I sent a player off for calling me a ****, he was effing and blinding as he left the field of play, kicked the changing room doors on the way off the pitch.

Next time I had him, he was good as gold, he apologised to me saying that his misses cheated on him the day before, that he lost his head, but that it was no excuse. Now I know he shouldn't have done it in the first place, but I couldn't help feel a bit sorry for him, and we both went into this game with the mentality that it is a new game.

Don't really know where I'm going with this post, but it's clear that this problem isn't black and white as it seems. Obviously if you lay hands on a referee, you're a troglodyte who has no place in the modern game. But as for the people who somewhat perpetuate the environment which allows this to happen, I don't think the majority of them are "bad people," maybe they're just caught up in it.

Some people turn to alcohol or drugs for an escape, but I think for most people sports is an escape too, and if you take away someone's escape from life, then they are going to be upset.

And just for the record, I'm not talking about people who assault referees here, but people who maybe abuse the referee or lose their heads. And I'm not condoning it either, I just find it interesting.
 
Just my two cents on it.

It's weird how the players who bother me aren't the ones hurling abuse at me.

I've sent a few players off in my time calling me many things under the sun. However the strange thing is, most of those players have come back to apologise to me (and not your usual "don't put that card through ref," I felt like they were genuine apologies).

The ones that usually bother me at the quiet ones, those are the only times I've felt intimidated by players, when they don't necessarily say or do anything 'wrong' but carry a demeanour about them that they're out to hurt people on a Sunday or Saturday, or go into a game with the intention of doing whatever they want with no regard for the 21 other players playing the game.

I once had a player, when I called him over to dismiss him, he didn't even say a word, just advanced on me with a threatening stare, getting so close I had to take a few steps back.

Compare that to a few weeks later where I sent a player off for calling me a ****, he was effing and blinding as he left the field of play, kicked the changing room doors on the way off the pitch.

Next time I had him, he was good as gold, he apologised to me saying that his misses cheated on him the day before, that he lost his head, but that it was no excuse. Now I know he shouldn't have done it in the first place, but I couldn't help feel a bit sorry for him, and we both went into this game with the mentality that it is a new game.

Don't really know where I'm going with this post, but it's clear that this problem isn't black and white as it seems. Obviously if you lay hands on a referee, you're a troglodyte who has no place in the modern game. But as for the people who somewhat perpetuate the environment which allows this to happen, I don't think the majority of them are "bad people," maybe they're just caught up in it.

Some people turn to alcohol or drugs for an escape, but I think for most people sports is an escape too, and if you take away someone's escape from life, then they are going to be upset.

And just for the record, I'm not talking about people who assault referees here, but people who maybe abuse the referee or lose their heads. And I'm not condoning it either, I just find it interesting.

Interesting post. I think that we are an outlet for people's frustrations both within and outside the confides of the game. We represent authority and people always rage against authority when they feel wronged.

More pertinently, it's a cultural issue in football that aggression is accepted and in many cases tolerated. It is an outlet for players, managers, fans (and even refs, ie red carding players for very minor dissent because they're having a bad day/week). It's a very emotional game and it's very difficult for everyone involved to keep their behaviour sensible. I'd say a night out on the booze is the most likely time that you'll act on your emotions in such a poor manner, seconded by a football match
 
In my latent stupidly I’ve stood up to some very very large individuals, not that I recommend this course of action to the newbies, on the field, you hopefully rely on the respect for the shirt and the end of career for an assault as a deterrent, supporters though are another matter and my final run in with a very angry gypsies father helped me make my final decision to say bye bye. Scary stuff!
 
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