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Deliberate handball by the keeper

HoofItYouDonkey

HoofItYouDonkey

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Keeper comes racing out of the penalty box and punches the ball away. There were covering defenders, so could not be construed as a goal scoring opportunity. I only gave a yellow for deliberate handball. The attacking team were screaming for a red.
Was I correct?
 
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I was under the impression that any kind of handling of the ball outside the box by keeper is a straight red.
 
Men in Black said:
I was under the impression that any kind of handling of the ball outside the box by keeper is a straight red.
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Thought experiment. The lines are poorly painted and the goalkeeper picks up an over-hit pass outside of the penalty area and the nearest opponent is 30 yards away. Would you give a red card? What would the restart be? (Direct FK, indirect FK, or penalty kick)
 
HoofItYouDonkey said:
Keeper comes racing out of the penalty box and punches the ball away. There were covering defenders, so could not be construed as a goal scoring opportunity. I only gave a yellow for deliberate handball. The attacking team were screaming for a red.
Was I correct?
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If he stopped a promising attack - yellow
If he denied an obvious goalscoring opportunity - red

No such thing as automatic red for keepers that handle outside the penalty area.
 
Men in Black said:
I was under the impression that any kind of handling of the ball outside the box by keeper is a straight red.
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Once a keeper is outside the penalty area he becomes merely a player...so unless you consider every handball by any player outside the box a straight red....then no. Enough players DO seem to think ANY handball must be at least a yellow: so much so that IFAB had to make it clear that only if it breaks up a promising attack does it warrant a caution. A little worrying to find referees who also share these views.
 
cwyeary said:
Thought experiment. The lines are poorly painted and the goalkeeper picks up an over-hit pass outside of the penalty area and the nearest opponent is 30 yards away. Would you give a red card? What would the restart be? (Direct FK, indirect FK, or penalty kick)
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Penalty kick)? How would that occur with hand ball outside the area??
 
cwyeary said:
Thought experiment. The lines are poorly painted and the goalkeeper picks up an over-hit pass outside of the penalty area and the nearest opponent is 30 yards away. Would you give a red card? What would the restart be? (Direct FK, indirect FK, or penalty kick)
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Direct free kick
 
Ganajin said:
Once a keeper is outside the penalty area he becomes merely a player...so unless you consider every handball by any player outside the box a straight red....then no. Enough players DO seem to think ANY handball must be at least a yellow: so much so that IFAB had to make it clear that only if it breaks up a promising attack does it warrant a caution. A little worrying to find referees who also share these views.
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I guess it comes back to this mental block I’ve got where keepers play with a completely different set of rules, I don’t think it’s just me, I think a lot of players out there think the same.

This thread has saved me another calamity moment, I really do need to spend this summer reading the lotg
 
You’ve to turn off your ex-player brain off when you become a referee. Read and understand the good book and you won’t go far wrong.
 
Men in Black said:
Thanks for posting this because it’s saved me another head in hands moment.
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As an experienced ref I was suddenly caught like a rabbit in the headlights. Fortunately common sense prevailed and I treated the keeper outside the box as just just another player.
 
Men in Black said:
I was under the impression that any kind of handling of the ball outside the box by keeper is a straight red.
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Well I know what your homework is tonight :)

coming from a player to a referee, you really need to forget everything you 'know' about the 'rules' and start from scratch. It's surprising how much stuff 'everyone knows' that's completely wrong.

You wouldn't have been the only ref out there thinking it's an automatic red. The keeper isn't treated any differently to an outfield player when he leaves the PA.

And that means that if he carries the ball outside the area it isn't even going to be a card (but it is a DFK - another one a lot of refs get wrong!)
 
As many have said, outside the box keeper is considered as a player, so SPA-> Yellow DOGSO-> Red and in any other case no card.
 
CapnBloodbeard said:
Well I know what your homework is tonight :)

coming from a player to a referee, you really need to forget everything you 'know' about the 'rules' and start from scratch. It's surprising how much stuff 'everyone knows' that's completely wrong.

You wouldn't have been the only ref out there thinking it's an automatic red. The keeper isn't treated any differently to an outfield player when he leaves the PA.

And that means that if he carries the ball outside the area it isn't even going to be a card (but it is a DFK - another one a lot of refs get wrong!)
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Tbh a lot of players haven’t got a scooby about the law, I just need to buck my ideas up I really do.

No good me learning from each howler, preferably there woudnt be a howler in the first place.
 
Men in Black said:
Tbh a lot of players haven’t got a scooby about the law, I just need to buck my ideas up I really do.

No good me learning from each howler, preferably there woudnt be a howler in the first place.
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Have you not had to study the laws of the game to pass your referee exam?
 
Mintyref said:
Have you not had to study the laws of the game to pass your referee exam?
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Got My exam wed night minty, I’ve got no chance of passing.

I read three pages of LOTG and my brain just turns to scrambled egg, that’s why I prefer to discuss the laws it sinks in that way.

I should be doing 20 questions a day on the quiz on my phone, I’ll have to start.
 
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