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Bizarre one today - what do you think?

zonknz

zonknz

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So not quite sure what to think about this.

Ref'd game today where the goals look like these: i.e a combined rugby/football goal post.soccer-rugby.jpg

So a shot from Red, and it hit the quite high up 'rugby' uprights part of the goal post (not a great shot! ha!) , and rebounded to the feet by the green goalie, who collected it.

My instinct was goal kick, but play continued from the goalie, so i guess no overall harm done. Just not quite clear what the laws say about this one...

Any views/ideas/advice?
 
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If it hits the rugby post and comes back into play GK, or corner unless from a defenders last touch it ends up in the GKs arms then play from the GK. Common sense applies. Have an issue with a tree overhanging a goal mouth in my area and it is part of the prematch brief. If both captains are aware there should be no issues.
 
For me, if ball hits that rugby upright, its out of play and the restart should be as if the uprights are not there.,i.e, striker hits upright, is a goal kick
 
technically, for the ball to have rebounded, it's not completely passed over the end line; hence while your answers feels right, it's quite... blurry rather than absolute.
 
We, unfortunately, have a large number of those types of posts here in Canada, and a number of years ago, one of the governing bodies (likely provincial) sent out an edict that if the ball hit that post above, then to consider it as having left the field of play (thus goal kick).

The awkwardness of using a field that is designed for a different sport.
 
AlexF said:
We, unfortunately, have a large number of those types of posts here in Canada, and a number of years ago, one of the governing bodies (likely provincial) sent out an edict that if the ball hit that post above, then to consider it as having left the field of play (thus goal kick).

The awkwardness of using a field that is designed for a different sport.
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I think any league that has fields with "permanent unauthorised fixtures" should, as part of their competition rules, specify what to do if the fixture interferes with play.

The problem is not with the ball cleanly hits the upright and bounces back into play (without the upright it would have gone out). You can make some common sense decision one way or other. The problems is when tha ball partially hits the upright and without the upright the ball would have bounced back into play anyway but the upright has changed the direction of the bounce. What happens then must be consistent thought the league.
 
These are frequent in the US with American football. They are not apart of the field and if the ball hits them, it is out of play.
 
I had the same issue with portable goals which had wheels at the front about 4 inches behind the post. shot hit the front of the wheel and bounced back into play without fully crossing the line. I played on and treated it as if shot had hit the post.
 
You should not be officiating on that pitch, even a friendly.

It does not meet fifa standards as explained in the laws of the game, and this isn't something you can potentially bend the laws of the game to, like missing corner flags (not to open a different can of worms here, I've got my opinions and I'm sure everyone else has theirs)

EDIT: maybe your local FA can give you some guidance here, I'm not sure how New Zealand does things but that wouldn't fly here, a county cup game a few years ago had to be postponed because of goals like these.

If all else fails, play football one half and rugby the other.
 
zonknz said:
technically, for the ball to have rebounded, it's not completely passed over the end line; hence while your answers feels right, it's quite... blurry rather than absolute.
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yes, but technically these would probably be illegal anyway. So, this is the convention for these things.
We get them a lot in Australia as schools often use combined posts, and preseason games are often held on school grounds for some reason.
Just tell the teams before hand what's going to happen and it's all good.
 
If in an exam, isn't the correct 'technical' answer - a drop ball as its outside interference?

I agree there are more common sense solutions as outlined above, but its a drop ball strictly as per LOTG isn't it?

Good luck dropping the ball on the goal line btw!:eek:
 
PinnerPaul said:
If in an exam, isn't the correct 'technical' answer - a drop ball as its outside interference?

I agree there are more common sense solutions as outlined above, but its a drop ball strictly as per LOTG isn't it?

Good luck dropping the ball on the goal line btw!:eek:
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If in an exam the correct technical answer is you should not have started the game.

Edit: its like an exam asking what is the restart if the ball goes out on the junction of a touchline and the goal line when there is no corner flag? It shouldn't happen because there must be a corner flight. :)
 
one said:
If in an exam the correct technical answer is you should not have started the game.

Edit: its like an exam asking what is the restart if the ball goes out on the junction of a touchline and the goal line when there is no corner flag? It shouldn't happen because there must be a corner flight. :)
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Fair point!
 
one said:
If in an exam the correct technical answer is you should not have started the game.

Edit: its like an exam asking what is the restart if the ball goes out on the junction of a touchline and the goal line when there is no corner flag? It shouldn't happen because there must be a corner flight. :)
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Ah, but missing corner flags is the example IFAB give in the laws of the game about the “spirit of the game”, so at parks level you could play with missing corner flags and report it to the competition later.
 
zarathustra said:
Ah, but missing corner flags is the example IFAB give in the laws of the game about the “spirit of the game”, so at parks level you could play with missing corner flags and report it to the competition later.
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Correct but we are talking 'technical' here. As you said missing corner flag was just an example by lotg. Having uprights can be another.
I think the point I was trying to make is that those sorts of questions shouldn't be in an exam because there is no right or wrong answer.
 
PinnerPaul said:
If in an exam, isn't the correct 'technical' answer - a drop ball as its outside interference?

I agree there are more common sense solutions as outlined above, but its a drop ball strictly as per LOTG isn't it?

Good luck dropping the ball on the goal line btw!:eek:
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You would never have a dropped ball in the goal area ;)
 
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